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The myth of "humane slaughter".

Are they just going to keep stunning sheep with that electric thing or is there some decent massacring at any point? :confused:

theres some quite good throat slicing and bleeding about 8mins in but its mainly the shit electrocution thingy.


dave
 
theres some quite good throat slicing and bleeding about 8mins in but its mainly the shit electrocution thingy.

It would have benefitted from a lot more blood and something like 'Enter Sandman' as the soundtrack.

Perhaps a kitten could wander in and get absentmindedly stamped on . . .
 
theres some quite good throat slicing and bleeding about 8mins in but its mainly the shit electrocution thingy.


dave

It doesn't work terribly well on humans either:

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It would have benefitted from a lot more blood and something like 'Enter Sandman' as the soundtrack.

Perhaps a kitten could wander in and get absentmindedly stamped on . . .

If we're talking Metallica songs, then 'Ride The Lightning' (itself a eupemism for sitting in the electric chair) would be more appropriate, methinks.
 
its certainly not been even slighyly as poignant nor shocking as the OP had apparently thought.
 
Yes. If there's nothing wrong with it they'd be happy for kids to see where their food comes from.

In truth, if I put up posters displaying animal killings I'd be done for something criminal and upsetting folk.

lol by that logic they should give guided tours of morticians, morgues and undertakers. Yet my step brother and his family have been undertakers for years and have never done so, does this mean theres something wrong with what they do?
 
lol by that logic they should give guided tours of morticians, morgues and undertakers. Yet my step brother and his family have been undertakers for years and have never done so, does this mean theres something wrong with what they do?

It is very unlikely that they kill those they treat. Post mortems have been done on live TV. Industrial slaughter has not.
 
if I put up posters displaying animal killings I'd be done for something criminal and upsetting folk.

Yes and it's specifically why there are no kids tours of slaughterhouses. No one is arguing that the killing of animals is cute and fluffy, it's not.
 
BBC3 about a year or two ago iirc. Killed the pigs, cut them up and cooked them...all on the set.

I can't remember what it was on but I watched it and it was quite good.

I remember thinking "I don't think I could eat the meat there and then after watching the slaughter" but hey ho.

It wasn't exactly like a real industrial slaughterhouse though.
 
It is very unlikely that they kill those they treat. Post mortems have been done on live TV. Industrial slaughter has not.

Very unlikely? Its slightly more than that, post mortems aren't done on those still alive. Post Mortems may have been done on live TV, but, it was after the watershed and they dont have kids tours around the place, as was the example you gave as being a judge of whether something was acceptable. Moving the goalposts makes your argument look even weaker than it already was, which is quite an acheivement.
 
Post mortems have been done on live TV. Industrial slaughter has not.
Yes it has. Hugh Fearnly Shittingstall had a programme on each of the main meat animals which began with a detialed and graphic demonstration of the slaughter process.

Do keep up
 
It wasn't exactly like a real industrial slaughterhouse though.

Well obviously but they showed the shocking part, hanging them and slicing them up. I watched it and didn't flinch, some audience members couldn't look though.
 
Yes and it's specifically why there are no kids tours of slaughterhouses. No one is arguing that the killing of animals is cute and fluffy, it's not.

Cruelty to animals and killing them is actually illegal, though generally not if they are eaten subsequently. Another doublethink wonder of our society.
 
Well obviously but they showed the shocking part, hanging them and slicing them up. I watched it and didn't flinch, some audience members couldn't look though.

Yeah. I thought I might have to look away but was fine.
It may have been a bit different if I was there though.
 
It's natural innit. Cos chimp eat dead stuff or something.
Taffboy Gwyrdd, I'm sure that your fillum is quite gruesome. Killing beasts is gruesome, but we do it to get meat and other animal products. And because it's gruesome and most of us wouldn't be very good at it we rely on slaughterhouses to do it for us.

Now what do you want the rest of us to do?
 
Yes. If there's nothing wrong with it they'd be happy for kids to see where their food comes from.

There's 'nothing wrong' with incarcerating rapists and murderers. Should kids be given guided tours of Broadmoor?

Nothing in that video is secret. I'd hazard a guess that most people are now well aware of what goes on in slaughterhouses. The name kind of gives it away ;).
 
Well from my perspective the most shocking thing about that video was how little PPE (personal protective equipment) was being worn by those workers, especially those guys at the start. Several images when the guy is leaning over a half stunned one while it’s kicking up in the air, but he’s got no helmet, looks like basic gloves or even bare hands and he doesn’t seem to have that electric device under control. Steel hooks around as well. I don’t think the process looks particularly cruel, although I have little to base that opinion on, but it does look inefficient and unnecessarily dangerous for those who do the work.
Seriously, would you like to be locked in a porter cabin with half a dozen 50kg+ pigs having to kill them one by one with rather lacking electric forceps? It looks like some kind of bizarre Japanese game show.
 
simply put there is no humane way to kill animals by the very nature of the statement animals are not human, although humans are animals therefore there would never be a case for killing an animal in a fashion which would be sympathetic and treating the animal as a human. we don't really allow the killing of humans either.

So it's a non statement used to attempt to justify the anthropomorphication of animals as being human equivalents and having human feelings in order to rationalise a faith based belief system.

There are vaild arguments to be made for industrial farming causes enviromental damage
There are vaild arguments to be made for over consumption of meat causes enviromental damage and health issues
There are vaild arguments to be made for having reasonable levels of care and a duty to do so for livestock

but this humane killing one isn't any of these.

It's entirely irrational and based on a near religious nonsensical whim.
 
I can't remember what it was on but I watched it and it was quite good.

I remember thinking "I don't think I could eat the meat there and then after watching the slaughter" but hey ho.

It wasn't exactly like a real industrial slaughterhouse though.

it was called ...

kill it cook it eat it...
 
simply put there is no humane way to kill animals by the very nature of the statement animals are not human, although humans are animals therefore there would never be a case for killing an animal in a fashion which would be sympathetic and treating the animal as a human. we don't really allow the killing of humans either.

A rather confusingly constructed syllogism, but I think I get the point. There is always an element of anthromorphising in arguments for humane treatment of animals, particularly as it related to the measurement of pain or discomfort. A measure that is often based on possible visible signs of pain in the animal interpreted by of course our own human understanding, (or projection, whichever you prefer) of such signs, or more often in our marketised society a general consensus between corporate sympathetic scientists and market driven desire. However the second part of your syllogism is fallacious as you are making a universal inclusive statement as it regards “treatment” across the class of all animals.
-All Humans are animals.
-All Animals are treated inhumanly
-Thus all humans are treated inhumanly.
Aside from the fallacy of including the predicated inhumane in the class of both Animals and Humans, experience tells us this is nonsense as we do have many notions of what humane treatment (at least for us) may be. And as rational beings we are able to apply such treatment to other beings if we should so please, although as you say the criteria for such treatment is often distorted, equally by religious sentiment as by the logic of capital.

But watch out, you are adopting a crude materialist ethics here as it relates to animals (and by degrees the natural world) that in extension would predicate our use of nature purely in economic terms of sustainability, growth, and human health (itself a wide field open to market driven interpretation). In short you are leaning far to much in favour of Darwinian humanistic liberalism.
 
Why is it "preaching" to have a video up? Commentary may be preaching, the video per se, just showing events, is not.

Sorry, TG, I wasn't having a go at your for posting this thread. I was referring more to my experience in general of going to the kind of website your link points to and feeling - my subjective perception, I'll freely admit - somewhat...hectored.
 
A rather confusingly constructed syllogism, but I think I get the point. There is always an element of anthromorphising in arguments for humane treatment of animals, particularly as it related to the measurement of pain or discomfort. A measure that is often based on possible visible signs of pain in the animal interpreted by of course our own human understanding, (or projection, whichever you prefer) of such signs, or more often in our marketised society a general consensus between corporate sympathetic scientists and market driven desire. However the second part of your syllogism is fallacious as you are making a universal inclusive statement as it regards “treatment” across the class of all animals.
-All Humans are animals.
-All Animals are treated inhumanly
-Thus all humans are treated inhumanly.
Aside from the fallacy of including the predicated inhumane in the class of both Animals and Humans, experience tells us this is nonsense as we do have many notions of what humane treatment (at least for us) may be. And as rational beings we are able to apply such treatment to other beings if we should so please, although as you say the criteria for such treatment is often distorted, equally by religious sentiment as by the logic of capital.

But watch out, you are adopting a crude materialist ethics here as it relates to animals (and by degrees the natural world) that in extension would predicate our use of nature purely in economic terms of sustainability, growth, and human health (itself a wide field open to market driven interpretation). In short you are leaning far to much in favour of Darwinian humanistic liberalism.
I'll thank you not to put my words in your own terms.

that's not what I've said at all.
 
simply put there is no humane way to kill animals by the very nature of the statement animals are not human, although humans are animals therefore there would never be a case for killing an animal in a fashion which would be sympathetic and treating the animal as a human. we don't really allow the killing of humans either.

You daft ranting muppet, the human part of humane refers to the behaviour/motivations/actions of the humans doing the killing not the animals.
 
I'll thank you not to put my words in your own terms.

that's not what I've said at all.

In what way is it not what you said?

It is but you just don't know it. If you don't want me to take you at your word then don't phrase your attempts at analysis as universal statements.

Besides I agree with half of what you said.
 
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