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the much needed rave/techno/house fascism thread

How can you prove an opinion? I've always been sympathetic to vinyl purists tbh (despite not knowing one end from a 12" from the other)...Music would be nothing without a bit of drama, history, and the unprovable je ne sais quoi about the emotion of it all. An opinion probably less prevalent in techno circles, I concede ;)

It has always boiled down to 2 main points:
1. Next time you're browsing MP3's, stick £12 in a tin each time you hear one you want to keep. You will either become poor or your collection will rise infinitely in quality and you'll treasure them much more :cool:

2. SS Giles puts it best http://www.residentadvisor.net/podcast-episode.aspx?id=160

Vinyl is still far superior to me, culturally / historically, aesthetically and sound-wise. I definitely feel like I am part of a dying breed, but frankly I am happy to drag my heavy bag all over the place (despite airlines losing it on four different occasions last year—once for over a month). I just feel CD's and music files are so disposable. I guess I am a romantic, nostalgic person, but I make no apologies for it. I still write all my gigs in a diary on paper and although I don't use it so often I still like to write with a cartridge pen believe it or not!

I love vinyl and all that it stands for. Going to shops, talking shit about music, sharing ideas, discussing music face to face, holding the vinyl, the artwork. Don't get me wrong, I don't have a massive problem with downloading or the net but it's a totally different world which I don't care for as much. I would far rather jump on the bus and spend half a day or usually more in record shops than jump online and download some tracks (even though I really don't have the time). There is less social interaction and the interaction on the net I have to say on message boards, blogs whatever are so often negative rather than positive.

God, i hated talking to people about some disposable deep house record that they'd shelled £10-20 on when all i wanted to talk about was the latest uglyfunk or a leftfield techno record. That's what annoys me about the new breed of vinyl purists, they think from a DJs perspective. What's the point? I concede that this might not apply to rave/hardcore/jungle vinyl fans (referring to stethoscope 's post) but I'm not old enough to have experienced that scene first hand. I can only speak from my experience of house/techno/bass/modern dnb.

And imho, and this is contentious perhaps, but if you spend most of your day listening to standardised music then yes it'd be harder to separate the wheat from the chaff. I can generally tell if I'll enjoy a tune after 16/32 bars (or when the drop occurs in dnb.) 9 times out of 10 I'm correct. Dance music is all about structure and how you can incorporate rhythmic motifs into said structure. There's hardly any complex composition to look out for so I don't find browsing through digital files much of a chore. Certainly having to listen to a generic lo-fi house record on vinyl whilst previewing it is more of a chore if I've decided that I don't like it or it doesn't do anything for me after 16 bars. I guess for me I just don't like this artificial distinction between the leftfield and the dancefloor that most djs involuntarily gravitate to.

Also, browsing mp3s is so 2002. All about flacs m8! :mad:
 
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Shut up that has ever happened (Baby D, that is) :D

Either way, an exception to the rule. Fair play you can smell the South London cocaine behind his every performance, but the guy can bring it every now and then...Great finish to this one (even if the rest of it is pretty forgettable)


It happened when I saw Bicep do a set of 93-94 garage obscurities. I was most displeased.
 
The absolute worst take on a genre imaginable, a total abortion on the dance floor. These cunts should be shot with shit.



You speak the truth. London acid techno is so unfunky and it lacks sexuality and swing and I lose my urge to move whenever it comes on when I'm at someone's place at south london bumping K and just... aaaaaaarghhhhhh! :mad:

I guess it's made for a certain drug. That's why it's so shit. Pity that it gives me nightmares on said drug.
 
You speak the truth. London acid techno is so unfunky and it lacks sexuality and swing and I lose my urge to move whenever it comes on when I'm at someone's place at south london bumping K and just... aaaaaaarghhhhhh! :mad:

I guess it's made for a certain drug. That's why it's so shit. Pity that it gives me nightmares on said drug.

A weak, two year old bottle of poppers found at the back of someone's Brixton fridge is forced under your nose whilst a bony nicotine stained finger does its best to frig your dry reluctant arsehole.
 
Slam lifetimes is a funny one. I have a whopping love for it, though have no idea where it fits other than on an MP3 player.
never heard it before now - its a bit of a tune!
(look forward to finsihing a set with it in a cartoon based disco soon ;))
 
You like Dread Bass though ska invita right?
well a bit more now ~ the thing is at the time tunes like RIP, Dread Bass, even The License just felt to me like nothing to do with the scene that had given birth to them ~ in different ways they were all a step too far in the wrong direction~ now the dust has settled im less annoyed by them but still... ~ The License is a masterpiece in the first half for sure,, Dread Bass......never been a fan and still sounds pretty silly to me......RIP...still not into it....feels like a pastiche/spoof to me! sorry remarc.
 
LCD and most other electronic music makers who like to see themselves as proper bands who do proper albums

LCD Soundsystem?

I don't like trance. The only sort of trancey thing I like is Xpander and that I really love. Still to hear it at a rave and have a gurn. :(
 
This doesn't apply to any of the music in this thread though. I'd agree with you for most stuff made before 1975 or so but for electronic music it's utterly pointless.

Also, knowing where the breakdowns by looking at a tune is cheating. Memorise the bar structure of your tunes ffs. it's not hard!
It applies to music made up until mid 90s, and even some made more recently as some producers still value analogue production. As far as remembering the bar structure of my four and a half thousand tunes... Fuck right off :p
 
It applies to music made up until mid 90s, and even some made more recently as some producers still value analogue production. As far as remembering the bar structure of my four and a half thousand tunes... Fuck right off :p

It's digitally mastered though 9 times of 10 (recording to DAT ensures that your tune isn't analogue anymore) or processed/mixed down using a computer. And if samplers are involved, well that's digital editing as is! Uttrly Pointless most of the time! Unless you're a noise dude who records to cassette or somehow have the technology to record to old analogue magnetic tape. :P the vinyl purists have been caught out red-handed!

Also for dance music bar structure isn't hard. just work in 16/32 intervals. My visual impairment means I have to memorise bar structures :P
 
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I went to a night with Sasha doing a '5 hour set' in the late 90s when I was at Uni in Sheffield. God it was boring :D
 
I went to a night with Sasha doing a '5 hour set' in the late 90s when I was at Uni in Sheffield. God it was boring :D

I've seen him twice - once at Glasgow Arches where he played quite a dark techno-ish set (akin to Involvr2) and also at Ushuaia Ibiza, which was a good bit more accessible (finishing with Hot Chip's 'Flutes' :D:thumbs:). Enjoyed both immensely
 
I've seen him twice - once at Glasgow Arches where he played quite a dark techno-ish set (akin to Involvr2) and also at Ushuaia Ibiza, which was a good bit more accessible (finishing with Hot Chip's 'Flutes' :D:thumbs:). Enjoyed both immensely

This was a trance/BT-style set. Nothing on the Sasha sets of 90-92. Same with Judge Jules - his sets until the early 90s were mixed with everything - soul, funk, trance, hip-hop, house, etc. But he went down a really dull trance avenue too.
 
This was a trance/BT-style set. Nothing on the Sasha sets of 90-92. Same with Judge Jules - his sets until the early 90s were mixed with everything - soul, funk, trance, hip-hop, house, etc. But he went down a really dull trance avenue too.

Those early-mid 90s Sasha sets are arguably worse for me imho, all that commercial Italo house cack when the Italians were making some of the best underground deep house I've ever heard to this day.

Whilst I'm not a fan of the northern exposure mixes I think they've aged much better than both of the sasha and digweed renaissances which are frankly cheese-fests.
 
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Some kind of acidy thing. Trance to me is stuff like Paul Van Dyk/Cream nonsense. I'm not good at categorising stuff probably, but why bother?

Trance was acidy! Not the producers fault that pilled up whiteboys with no politics and attitude decided to strip all the techno and detroit influence out of it is it?
 
Radio killed Lazy (see also, Modjo - Lady). If you weren't there before it 'broke' (nor danced on the bar in Ministry 19 years old wearing sunglasses) you will never understand the 'out of nowhere' appeal. Both tunes originally provided genuine dancefloor goosebump moments, quite impossible though it is to believe now.

Slam lifetimes is a funny one. I have a whopping love for it, though have no idea where it fits other than on an MP3 player.
I reckon you might like this

https://soundcloud.com/i-d-online-1/premiere-bicep-celeste
 
This is how to do chipmunk vocals and pull it off imho. I love the percussive decentring of the human voice in this track, as if it's being quite literally electrified and schizophrenically experiencing perverse jouissance without the orgasmic release. It's an excellent deconstruction of how pop music could sound if it decided to become explicitly political again.

 
Not the producers fault that pilled up whiteboys with no politics and attitude decided to strip all the techno and detroit influence out of it is it?

You don't half talk some shite sometimes ;)

Commenting on their skin colour and making assumptions about their politics indeed. Like they are all some homogeneous simplified group.
 
You don't half talk some shite sometimes ;)

Commenting on their skin colour and making assumptions about their politics indeed. Like they are all some homogeneous simplified group.

It's true though. gatecrasher trance was a subconscious purging of black/working-class influence from dance music to make it more palatable to whiter and more affluent club crowds. How is what I'm saying shit then?

Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it, i just think it's worth bearing that in mind.
 
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It's true though. gatecrasher trance was a subconscious purging of black/working-class influence from dance music to make it more palatable to whiter and more affluent club crowds. How is what I'm saying shit then?

:D Was it fuck.

It was just a do for Sheffield studenty types to wear silly clothes and take LOADS of drugs and arm their friends with a lifetimes worth of embarassing memories and clothes. I always quite admired the old-school tribal affiliation and weekly pilgrimage everyone there always spoke of, even if everything else about it played to my inner (and outer!) snob :p The fact the night/club existed before the advent of camera phones is no co-incidence!

Id agree with your statement if it was about modern EDM, of course...
a subconscious purging of black/working-class influence from dance music to make it more palatable to whiter and more affluent club crowds. How is what I'm saying shit then?

(but not this bit)

Doesn't mean you can't enjoy it
(it does ;))
 
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