editor said:
Ah here we go again with the deliberate obtuseness. One data flow diagram coming up...
The most incredible [attempted] Brixton hustle EVER!
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Ah here we go again with the deliberate obtuseness. One data flow diagram coming up...
Onket
Je suis [CONTENT REMOVED]
FAO Anna Key-
I asked if you knew me as I was puzzled by your personal attack on me for making an off the cuff remark about giving someone who stole something off me a bit of a slap.
A few other people make similar remarks over the course of this thread and they are not likened to Tony Martin!!
I simply wondered if you disliked me for some other, strange reason. Are you an Oxford fan by any chance?
I asked if you knew me as I was puzzled by your personal attack on me for making an off the cuff remark about giving someone who stole something off me a bit of a slap.
A few other people make similar remarks over the course of this thread and they are not likened to Tony Martin!!
I simply wondered if you disliked me for some other, strange reason. Are you an Oxford fan by any chance?
Anna Key said:Steal £ >>>>>> perform vigilante serious assault.
Which do you consider worse? The £1 theft or the proposed serious asault? If you answer correctly you are invited to appear with David Starky on the Moral Maze.
The comparison here is between repeatedly stealing £1/£2, with intimidation, and making a (probably hyperbolic) suggestion on a bulleting board. No contest, I'd have said.
If onket really did deliver a kicking to a scamster then, in the absence of any legitimate cause of self defence, then s/he'd be the worse*
Second prize : Appear with David Starkey and Malanie Phillips?
*Easy really. You should have spent more time amongst those dreadful, working class northern women, Anna, and less time in Philosophy seminars - they'd have put you right
Pie 1 said:
Well yeah, but at least he tried the non-threatening approach first. Editor was saying that Anna Key admired the man for his aggression and intimidation, but I wouldn't have thought agression or intimidation were the effective part of the scam described.
The first time I encountered the 'crying girl outside Brixton tube scam' (trademark) about 6 years ago I was really traumatised. I was with a friend who dragged me away from helping her telling me it was just a scam. It's not in my nature to walk away from someone who is clearly very very distressed saying she has just been attacked, my parents taught me better than that. But my friend dragged me away saying that while this girl distracts you her 'accomplice' will run up and mug you....I'm not sure that is the case, but it's all horrible none the less. I reserve judment each time I encounter someone like this just incase I think they really have been attacked and then I may go and get the police or something.
Doorbell scam wise, on Monday while I was at home from work having my lunch break, my weird middle aged lady neighbour from the flat upstairs knocked loudly on my door and when I opened just demanded I give her £2 to go visit her sick son, didn't say 'hello' or 'please'...I told her I had just seen her son in the shop while I was buying my lunch and he looked OK to me, she promptly told me to 'Fuck off then!'.....charming!
Doorbell scam wise, on Monday while I was at home from work having my lunch break, my weird middle aged lady neighbour from the flat upstairs knocked loudly on my door and when I opened just demanded I give her £2 to go visit her sick son, didn't say 'hello' or 'please'...I told her I had just seen her son in the shop while I was buying my lunch and he looked OK to me, she promptly told me to 'Fuck off then!'.....charming!
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
mmmm, a slammed door is proportional, so is a yell, but physical violence is totally out of order....I didn't mention that the cab fare to hospital scam was tried on me when me teenage son had disappeared and I answered the door without asking who it was because I thought it was my boy....some may say i had better reason than most to respond with more than a slammed door, or a torrent of verbal abuse even,.....shame on you lot who decided that physical violence was fair enough....absolutely not and you've revealed yourselves to be violent bullies in my book..............
Mrs Magpie said:
Well put. To use physical violence to get back at someone for tricking you out of money reeks of News of the World inspired vigilantyism.
Mrs Magpie said:
Totally understand what you're saying here so the solution should always be a firm 'no thanks mate' etc... etc... afraid it means that the genuinelly needy may miss out but that's unfortunately the price we all have to pay for the selfish few who make us so risk averse.
If in doubt - RUN!
Ms T
Honey-coloured ramparts
(Hendo posting as Miss T. Must learn to watch the cookies)Domski said:
Seconded. These people are desperate and are probably armed with something, plus have lived by their wits on the roughest streets in the capital for months if not years. Chances are they'll have the edge on you.
Hatboy, do you know many of these people?
A straight question this: How do they justify the way they make their living?
AverageJoe
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RatuntaMcBlart said:
Course it is - why would I post it otherwise?
The way I see it is that everyone deserves a chance. Sometimes maybe two. But if your're gonna threaten me, follow me and try and intimidate me with your size, then don't be suprised if I walk somewhere that I know to be safe, and arrange a 'friendly dissuassion'. Its a sad fact, but sometimes its the only thing that some people around here listen to. You and I both know the police don't turn up, so if these guys are willing to live by the sword, then I'm sorry but if you really really pull my chain, then I'll deal with it myself.
I'm no vigilante or tough guy, just a proud Brixtonite who believes in standing up for what is decent. Which may seems a weird way to put it, but if some dick thinks twice about ripping people off because he thinks that he might get a poke, then I think thats good.
Plus, if you're gonna do it, do it hard and do it first.
AverageJoe
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Onket said:FAO Anna Key-
I simply wondered if you disliked me for some other, strange reason. Are you an Oxford fan by any chance?
AK IS £2 MAN!
*or maybe not - but you are the only defendant of him...*
*wishes he knew how to use smilies - goes back to putting nails into baseball bat...*
editor
hiraethified
If you're finding my rather straightforward comment 'obtuse' then that's down to you, not me.RatuntaMcBlart said:
After all, Pie1 had no problem understanding what I meant.
Oh, and seeing as you're getting all personal and referring to me by my first name here, what's yours?
If it's the same lanky bloke I'm thinking of, then it's a little overblown to credit him with qualities of 'intelligence and enterprise.'
As far as I've seen, he's an aggressive conman plain and simple - prone to grabbing coins out of the hand like a simple thief. And on more than a couple of occasions I've seen him threaten people - either mouthing off or squaring up to them. I lost all sympathy for him when he chased a friend down the high road (all 5ft of her), yelling general abuse and making throat-slashing gestures, just for managing to hold onto her own money.
I'm as tolerant as the next man, but to represent this bloke as some kind of harmless entrepreneurial conman is a little rich.
As far as I've seen, he's an aggressive conman plain and simple - prone to grabbing coins out of the hand like a simple thief. And on more than a couple of occasions I've seen him threaten people - either mouthing off or squaring up to them. I lost all sympathy for him when he chased a friend down the high road (all 5ft of her), yelling general abuse and making throat-slashing gestures, just for managing to hold onto her own money.
I'm as tolerant as the next man, but to represent this bloke as some kind of harmless entrepreneurial conman is a little rich.
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
If we are talking about the same man, which I doubt....it's a con as old as the hills, and being scammed is not ever, no way, no how, equal to violence....at least, not in my case.......as a short and aged woman.....dunno about you strapping young men, but frankly, I think not......
AverageJoe
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Mrs Magpie said:
Maybe not for you Mrs M, but if the actions of people who are not intimidated by this (or other guys ) means that you are not targetted, then that can only be a good thing. Cant it?
Or should we rather be like the general crowd in Brixton (and elsewhere) and 'not see anything'. If thats the case then fair enough. If someone tries to fool me, financially or violently and they get a come uppance, then as far as I am concerned its a benefit to the area.
And to other potential victims (whether short and aged or big and strong). These people are scum, and in this case only, I would treat them as such.
And if I ahve to justify my views - I have no job at the moment, no money and am struggling to find my place in society, but have *never* felt the need to force my will on others in this way, so the 'need' argument is redundant. They are the shit on the sole of Brixton life.
Here endeth the reading according to St Rantarant....!
Mrs Magpie
On a bit of break...
Ah, the old untermensch argument.........
AverageJoe
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Mrs Magpie said:
What does that mean?
Untermensch = people regarded by the Nazis as so inferior that they were not human beings at all. Literally it means sub-human. The Nazis used the word to refer mainly to Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the disabled, communists and socialists.AverageJoe said:
Every society, from 1930s Germany to Bosnia to Rwanda to the fictional Lord of the Flies has used variations of the word.
That's the function of the word "scum." It suggests the "scum" are not human and, consequently, may be subject to a violent assault for stealing £1.
The Sun newspaper uses the technique constantly, so you're in good company. Assylum seekers are the latest recipient of the Untermensch treatment.
The Victorians applied the distinction to "deserving" and "undeserving" poor, and invented the workhouse system to punish and discipline the latter.
The idea is that once you dehumanise a person they become "beyond the pale" and can be treated worse than a dog.
Perhaps certain people on this thread could change their handles to Untermensch1, Untermensch2, Untermensch3 etc?
Onket said:
Excellent. A "good kicking" has transformed, miraculously, into a "bit of a slap." The level of violence you wish to perform is decreasing.Onket said:
How about just keeping your hands, and feet, to yourself? And should you find yourself entertaining desires to perform any act of violence on anyone - even upon members of the Untermensch class - you seek professional help?
No one, be they bank managers, minor royals, gypsies, thieves, Jews, blacks, or con-men should suffer from your violent tendences.
As a matter of interest is it only "scum" you want to attack? Or are there others? Do tell.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
These scams really piss me off for the reasons set out by others on here. There's often an accompanying atmospheare of agression and they serve to make people less likely to help (or even listen) to someone in genuine need.
There used to be two men who hung around Tesco. They'd claim their boss had abandoned them in the area and needed money to travel back to wherever it was. I listened to their story the first time but didn't give any money. Imagine my surprise when, two weeks later, there they were again and approached me with the SAME story. I felt like saying "Gosh, he does to you quite often, doesn't he?". Pricks.
As far as I'm concerend, it's borderline mugging.
Anna Key,
Whilst I see your point you are making about violence, I can see both sides to this story. There's a limit to the number of times you can be repeatedly threatened, have idiotic scams pulled on you, be pestered and hassled along the street before you begin to adopt a very emibittered attitude.
There used to be two men who hung around Tesco. They'd claim their boss had abandoned them in the area and needed money to travel back to wherever it was. I listened to their story the first time but didn't give any money. Imagine my surprise when, two weeks later, there they were again and approached me with the SAME story. I felt like saying "Gosh, he does to you quite often, doesn't he?". Pricks.
As far as I'm concerend, it's borderline mugging.
Anna Key,
Whilst I see your point you are making about violence, I can see both sides to this story. There's a limit to the number of times you can be repeatedly threatened, have idiotic scams pulled on you, be pestered and hassled along the street before you begin to adopt a very emibittered attitude.
editor
hiraethified
I have to admit that I'm entertaining the notion that I'd like to give the cowardly scumbag who attacked me in Somerleyton Road a bit of a slap.Anna Key said:
Preferably when I've got lots of chums with me, just so that he can get a flavour of what it's like to be outnumbered, randomly attacked, bleeding, scared, concussed and vulnerable.
It just might do him good because I don't know how else you're going to get through to such a fuckwit.
Any ideas?
editor said:
I didn't say I didn't understand what you meant, it wasn't exactly fucking Shakespearean. Don't you know what obtuse means? The fact that your comment was "straightforward" has nothing to do with your deliberate obtuseness.
My name is also Mike.
editor
hiraethified
Ah, I see you're desperate for a fight.RatuntaMcBlart said:
Sadly for you, the fact that other posters had no problem comprehending my comment just makes you look silly. And rather belligerent too.
I think you need to calm down. Maybe have a nice cup of tea and do a bit of thinking before posting up your next silly knee jerk response.
Have you posted here under a different name before, by the way?
