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The most incredible [attempted] Brixton hustle EVER!

It gets better and better:

The Award will be presented at your premises later in the year by the Lord Lieutenant of the County, as The Queen's representative.
That's good. The Lord Leiutenant could pin the medal on him outside KFC.

The Queen normally invites three members of each winning business unit to an evening Reception at Buckingham Palace.
He'd need a suit...
 
Bob said:
I now feel really smug that I didn't give the guy change a month or so back - at the time my inner Hatboy was telling me that I was being paranoid that his twitching was a sign that he was about to rip me off....
Bloody liberal. Holding business back. Putting a spanner in the smooth running of the market economy. Typical.
 
Loki said:
this bloke got me too.
The man's a veritable powerhouse of entrepreneurial innovation. I posted the story at

03-06-2004, 10:49 AM

Just over an hour later five people have said they're his customers, with Pie 1 almost being a regular.

It makes you proud to be British. :cool:
 
editor said:
I don't. He's a thief who steals money and intimidates people with his physical size.

I enjoyed seeing him get his come-uppance a couple of years ago when he tried his scam with some gruff nothern bloke who was having none of it.

He stood up to the thief and demanded his money back on pain of a smack in the face.

He got it too. Good for him.

I smacked him as well. Not very admirable now in restrospect, but he made a mistake of doing it me outside my local. One yell of '(name), tools!' and a crack around the kneecaps with a baseball bat later, I immediately felt consumed by guilt as he limped off. Still he had been really aggrssive and insistent and I *hate* being ripped off...

Never saw him again though...
 
AverageJoe said:
I smacked him as well. Not very admirable now in restrospect, but he made a mistake of doing it me outside my local. One yell of '(name), tools!' and a crack around the kneecaps with a baseball bat later, I immediately felt consumed by guilt as he limped off. Still he had been really aggrssive and insistent and I *hate* being ripped off...

Never saw him again though...

Is this story true?
 
years ago i couldn't sleep so went for an early hours wander around st paul's (was a bit pished too) and stumbled through all manner of lunacy. but it was a woman who "needed money for the lekky meter" who got me - managed to run through the whole 'change up these coins' malarkey before we got to the point where i handed over a five pound note in exchange for 5 pound coins... which obviously ended up back in her hand. she invited me up to hers in a dodgy block "to get the change" :D

ah well you live and learn :)

reuben the crackhead tried the "my kid's sick in hospital and i need to get a taxi" routine late one night outside slix. tried to get lairy and everything when i wouldn't give him anything, and nobody looked like giving assistance :mad: in the end i dug out some coppers and threw them in the gutter and told him to piss off.

a few weeks back some guy tried the change trick on, but whilst i was prepared to help someone out, i made sure i had hold of the money throughout, and after he realised he wasn't going to win on this deal he got bored and walked off.
 
I know that they are sad and fucked-up on crack, heroin etc, but I HATE these people, and the more sad the sob-story they use, the more I hate them.

Because, as others have pointed out, they just make everyone else completely cynical, and you just know that one day, someone will knock on your door, or ask you for money in the street, or whatever, and you will turn them away, thinking "just another junkie" and they will have been genuine...

I had a guy come up to me with his arm held awkwardly as if hurt, he told me he had been mugged, had been to the police, and now needed to go to hospital "cos he thought his arm was broken" and needed a cab fare.

I helpfully offered to drive him to the local hospital myself, and strangely, he wasn't interested..... saw him again a few weeks later knocking on doors, and he tried it on me AGAIN, and I said "you are one unlucky f***er aren't you" - same arm hurt this time as well!

Giles..
 
Great post Giles :)

The thing I especially hate about these people is their utter visciousness once they've been found out. There have been a couple of times when I've tried to say some 'helpful words' and more often than not they'll then turn the air blue and call you everything under the sun. Their drug addiction in NO WAY mitigates this.

People like this deserve less than nothing and need to be taken off the streets. :mad:
 
Domski said:
Serious question here...

Should we be 'engaging'* with these people or giving them a good kicking?

'Good kicking' option please.

Especially the change for a £2 coin fella. Yes, he got me too, mind you it was 50ps for a £1 coin back then as a few others have said.
 
The 'partner about to give birth/taxi fare/mobile phone' is quite an old one and widespread. First time I heard it was from a besuited middle-aged guy in the vicinity of London Bridge station several years ago. We suggested we'd flag down a police car and persuade them to do a 'mercy dash', and he scarpered, cursing.

There appears to be more than one crying lady. I've been stopped twice on Acre Lane, at a 12 month interval, by a well, if flashily (heels, cashmere coat, lots of jewellry), dressed dark haired woman claiming to have been mugged and needing the fare to Merton. Her tearfulness is reasonably convincing, but the effect is spoiled by an hugely exagerated trembling which is almost a jig.

The first time she declined to be accompanied to the Police Station to report the crime and possibly get a lift home. The second time I reminded her we'd met previously and she just said 'Oh, f**k!'

As has been said, the downside is that they reduce the chance of people who really need help, getting it.
 
Onket said:
'Good kicking' option please.

Especially the change for a £2 coin fella. Yes, he got me too, mind you it was 50ps for a £1 coin back then as a few others have said.

It really is so unlike AK to be up with the times :p
 
Anna Key said:
What I admire is the skill and intelligence with which he pulls the scam. I'm admiring the skill and intelligence not the thievery and intimidation.
Where's the 'skill and intelligence' in using aggression and intimidation to steal money?
 
editor said:
Just like a serial mugger or a professional burglar, eh?

:rolleyes:

The problem is that these people have 'no other option' you see, none, none at all, and with this sudden influx of CYP's into the area I think you'll find that the moral high ground is firmly swung in favour of the mugger, burglar and hustler. After all, these CYP's have a very very bad attitude. ;)

:flees: :p
 
Easy pickings. ;)

I hardly have any of this any more. I think they've all worked out I've got no money or I might not stop talking!

Not worth the bother, unless we really do know eachother and we just want to catch-up on how we both are.
 
Other scams I've heard about lately..

a) My mothers sick in hospital in Manchester -- can you lend me £20 for the train...

b) Can you give £30 for 34 £1 coins...

I hate scammers much as I hate thieves. Both breed distrust in people.
 
Onket said:
'Good kicking' option please.

Especially the change for a £2 coin fella.
That's the ticket! Perform a vigilante serious assault as punishment for losing £1.

If you do perform a vigilante serious assault on this man I trust he presses charges and a judge sends you down. And that your victim's criminal injury compensation is considerably more than £1.

But you would, naturally, secure the backing of the Sun newpaper during your trial, together with its nine million right-thinking, highly intelligent, deeply sensitive readers. On your release Richard Littlejohn would greet you at the doors of Wandworth nick and pin on your chest the "Sun Newspaper 'You Couldn't Make It Up' Order of Merit (Second class).*

* The First Class medal is reserved for those shooting burglars in the back with illegally held weaponry. Perhaps build up to that one, eh?
 
Anna Key said:
That's the ticket! Perform a vigilante serious assault as punishment for losing £1.

If you do perform a vigilante serious assault on this man I trust he presses charges and a judge sends you down. And that your victim's criminal injury compensation is considerably more than £1.

But you would, naturally, secure the backing of the Sun newpaper during your trial, together with its nine million right-thinking, highly intelligent, deeply sensitive readers. On your release Richard Littlejohn would greet you at the doors of Wandworth nick and pin on your chest the "Sun Newspaper 'You Couldn't Make It Up' Order of Merit (Second class).*

* The First Class medal is reserved for those shooting burglars in the back with illegally held weaponry. Perhaps build up to that one, eh?

Right, you've convinced me. I'll do it.
 
editor said:
Where's the 'skill and intelligence' in using aggression and intimidation to steal money?
You didn't read my words:

"Originally Posted by Anna Key
What I admire is the skill and intelligence with which he pulls the scam. I'm admiring the skill and intelligence not the thievery and intimidation."
 
editor said:
Where's the 'skill and intelligence' in using aggression and intimidation to steal money?

I don't know about 'aggression and intimidation'. Fooling someone into handing over their money for change is surely preferable to shoving some cold steel into their face and taking everything they have, I'm sure you'd agree.
 
Anna Key said:
You didn't read my words:

"Originally Posted by Anna Key
What I admire is the skill and intelligence with which he pulls the scam. I'm admiring the skill and intelligence not the thievery and intimidation."

But do you admire the man?

Can intelligence and skill ever be dissociated from the purpose to which it's put, in any moral evaluation?
 
pooka said:
But do you admire the man?
No. I admire aspects of his character, and despise others.

Just as I despise the aspect of Onket's character which wishes to perform a vigilante serious assault for losing £1. Onket is anolgous to an 18th century judge wishing to hang a man for stealing a sheep. Onket's reaction is a disgusting one, and far worse than stealing a £1.

So Onket, in this instance, is morally inferior to the man stealing a £1. The £1 man is, in this instance, a better person than Onket.

Steal £ >>>>>> perform vigilante serious assault.

Which do you consider worse? The £1 theft or the proposed serious asault? If you answer correctly you are invited to appear with David Starky on the Moral Maze. ;)
 
Anna Key said:
No. I admire aspects of his character, and despise others.

Just as I despise the aspect of Onket's character which wishes to perform a vigilante serious assault for losing £1. Onket is anolgous to an 18th century judge wishing to hang a man for stealing a sheep. Onket's reaction is a disgusting one, and far worse than stealing a £1.

So Onket, in this instance, is morally inferior to the man stealing a £1. The £1 man is, in this instance, a better person than Onket.

Do you know me?!?!
 
Onket said:
Do you know me?!?!
What's that got to do with anything? I'm discussing your desire to perform a serious assault. Surely that's worthy of comment? Given that you entertain such violent desires I hope I don't.
 
RatuntaMcBlart said:
Fooling someone into handing over their money for change is surely preferable to shoving some cold steel into their face and taking everything they have, I'm sure you'd agree.
Err, yes. What a bizarre comparison.
 
Tell you what, do you reckon it's ok to give a thieving crackhead a good kicking over £1 before he (or his mate) 'might' get out a knife?

I honestly don't know the answer to that one... :confused:

To be honest I don't want to give anyone a kicking - I'm all talk and no trousers and would rather fuck off in the other direction without there being any pursuit on either side. But occasionally these things have to happen don't they?
 
editor said:
Err, yes. What a bizarre comparison.

Indeed and, as my run in with his lacky almost proved, if he didn't fool you with his 'skill &intellegence' then they might just have also used the cold steel method anyway.
 
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