The Monkees were better than the Beatles - agree/disagree?

[Idaho]

The Monkees did some good songs, and I listen to them more often than I do Beatles songs. However the Beatles were more creative and far more significant.

 

[bluestreak]

the best thing about the monkees was that when they started writing their own songs they were still great, jsut a different type of great. they were the worm that turned, a product of the industry that turned aroud and said that they weren't gonna play any more unless it was on their turns. and the industry was forced to do it their way.

plus, the monkees tv show was great for kdis and popularised a lot of radical ideas in surreal tv.

plus, HEAD shits on anything the beatles did ever. four words: ditty diego war chant.

but also porpoise song and randy scouse git need to be heard by the detractors.

 

[rekil]

The Monkees did some good songs, and I listen to them more often than I do Beatles songs. However the Beatles were more creative and far more significant.

Significant how? With Sgt.Pepper, they opened the door for all sorts of prog rock hippy wibblers to bang out any old over produced pretentious self indulgent hoary bollocks. That's significantly unforgiveable in my book. The Monkees did great timeless pop songs. That's what I call significant.

 

[bluestreak]

the best thing about the monkees was that when they started writing their own songs they were still great, jsut a different type of great. they were the worm that turned, a product of the industry that turned aroud and said that they weren't gonna play any more unless it was on their turns. and the industry was forced to do it their way.

plus, the monkees tv show was great for kdis and popularised a lot of radical ideas in surreal tv.

plus, HEAD shits on anything the beatles did ever. four words: ditty diego war chant.

but also porpoise song and randy scouse git need to be heard by the detractors.

oh, and the monkees only recorded TWO albums of other people's songs. they made six or seven under the original line up. a majority of their output was their own. plus three of them had already recorded music themselves prior to the monkees.

 

[editor]

Significant how? With Sgt.Pepper, they opened the door for all sorts of prog rock hippy wibblers to bang out any old over produced pretentious self indulgent hoary bollocks. .

There's loads of young and old musos from all sorts of fields who cite Sgt Pepper as a hugely influential and massively significant album.

I don't like it much, mind.

 

[bluestreak]

i'm
not
your
steppin
stone.

not a single track the beatles ever did can match the sheer perfection on every level of that tune.

 

[goldenecitrone]

Comparing the Monkees to the Beatles is like comparing Martine MacCutcheon to Edith Piaf. And not in a sexual way.

 

[ohmyliver]

the best thing about the monkees was that when they started writing their own songs they were still great, jsut a different type of great. they were the worm that turned, a product of the industry that turned aroud and said that they weren't gonna play any more unless it was on their turns. and the industry was forced to do it their way.

plus, the monkees tv show was great for kdis and popularised a lot of radical ideas in surreal tv.

plus, HEAD shits on anything the beatles did ever. four words: ditty diego war chant.

but also porpoise song and randy scouse git need to be heard by the detractors.

yeah, and 'this is a not your regular brand cigarette' allthough you do have to be standing in victor mature's hair for full effect

 

[Pigeon]

You should get some of Milli Vanilli's stuff. You'd obviously adore it.

Milli Vanilli were dope!

 

[bluestreak]

Comparing the Monkees to the Beatles is like comparing Martine MacCutcheon to Edith Piaf. And not in a sexual way.

in what way? we've listed the reasons why the manufactured band argument fails. and if you can show me why any of the beatles movies are better than head i'll be well impressed! teh only valid argumetn is personal taste!

 

[goldenecitrone]

Comparing the Beatles to the Monkees is like comparing Lobster Thermidor to a dog shit sandwich. So yes, it is a matter of taste.

 

[Sunspots]

oh, and the monkees only recorded TWO albums of other people's songs. they made six or seven under the original line up. a majority of their output was their own.

The original line-up released six studio albums, none of which feature more than half of the songs written by members of The Monkees. On most of those six albums, it's only about a third of the songs.

I wish it weren't the case, but it is.

 

[bluestreak]

Comparing the Beatles to the Monkees is like comparing Lobster Thermidor to a dog shit sandwich. So yes, it is a matter of taste.

heh, you don't half talk some bollocks.

sunspots, is that so? i thought they had much more of their own tunes than that. i will look out my monkees records tonight and check!

 

[Sunspots]

i'm
not
your
steppin
stone.

not a single track the beatles ever did can match the sheer perfection on every level of that tune.

The Monkees' Steppin' Stone holds it's own against anything on Nuggets.

(-It's even better than the version Paul Revere & The Raiders did first!)

 

[hipipol]

I thought Neil Diamond

et al did a good job in making a bunch of what were initially no hopers sound very good- ah yes, the session men helped too
Seriously Dubs I know you like taking a contrarian view and your deep loathing for the Fab Four is legendary but really, comparing the Minkeys to Ol Blue Eyes, well thats a fucking SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!
Mike Nesmith was cool, I liked some of the stuff he did after.
Its worth that Peter Tork the bass played was the Sid Vicious of his day, sinking in a drug torpor as soon as their TV show was canned
Ah, twas tragic

 

[bluestreak]

hmmm
The Monkees

"(Theme from) The Monkees" (Boyce/Hart)
"Saturday's Child" (Gates)
"I Wanna Be Free" (Boyce/Hart)
"Tomorrow's Gonna Be Another Day" (Boyce/Venet)
"Papa Gene's Blues" (Nesmith)
"Take a Giant Step" (Goffin/King)
"Last Train to Clarksville" (Boyce/Hart)
"This Just Doesn't Seem to Be My Day" (Boyce/Hart)
"Let's Dance On"(Boyce/Hart)
"I'll Be True" (Goffin/Titleman)
"Sweet Young Thing" (Goffin/King/Nesmith)
"Gonna Buy Me a Dog" (Boyce/Hart)

 

[rekil]

There's loads of young and old musos from all sorts of fields who cite Sgt Pepper as a hugely influential and massively significant album.

I know. It is entirely unacceptable.

 

[bluestreak]

More of The Monkees

"She" (Boyce/Hart)
"When Love Comes Knockin' (At Your Door)" (Sager/Sedaka)
"Mary, Mary" (Nesmith)
"Hold On Girl" (Carr/Keller/Raleigh)
"Your Auntie Grizelda" (Hildebrand/Keller)
"(I'm Not Your) Steppin' Stone" (Boyce/Hart)
"Look Out (Here Comes Tomorrow)" (Diamond)
"The Kind Of Girl I Could Love" (Nesmith/Atkins)
"The Day We Fall In Love"(Linzer/Randall)
"Sometime In The Morning" (Goffin/King)
"Laugh" (Margo/Margo/Medress/Siegel)
"I'm A Believer" (Diamond)

 

[Orang Utan]

The original line-up released six studio albums, none of which feature more than half of the songs written by members of The Monkees. On most of those six albums, it's only about a third of the songs.

I wish it weren't the case, but it is.

So what? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WROTE THE SONGS! I'm not asking who were better songwriters. but who were the better band

 

[bluestreak]

Headquarters

"You Told Me" (Nesmith)
"I'll Spend My Life With You" (Boyce/Hart)
"Forget That Girl" (Hatlelid)
"Band 6" (Jones/Nesmith/Tork/Dolenz)
"You Just May Be The One" (Nesmith)
"Shades Of Grey" (Mann/Weil)
"I Can't Get Her Off Of My Mind" (Boyce/Hart)
"For Pete's Sake" (Tork/Richards)
"Mr. Webster" (Boyce/Hart)
"Sunny Girlfriend" (Nesmith)
"Zilch" (Jones/Nesmith/Tork/Dolenz)
"No Time" (Cicalo)
"Early Morning Blues and Greens" (Hilderbrand/Keller)
"Randy Scouse Git" (Dolenz)

7/14...

 

[bluestreak]

Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd.

"Salesman" (Smith)
"She Hangs Out" (Barry)
"The Door Into Summer" (Douglas/Martin)
"Love Is Only Sleeping" (Mann/Weil)
"Cuddly Toy" (Nilsson)
"Words" (Boyce/Hart)
"Hard To Believe" (Jones/Capli/Brick/Rockett)
"What Am I Doing Hangin' 'Round?" (Lewis/Clark)
"Peter Percival Patterson's Pet Pig Porky" (Tork)
"Pleasant Valley Sunday" (Goffin/King)
"Daily Nightly" (Nesmith)
"Don't Call On Me" (Nesmith/London)
"Star Collector" (Goffin/King)

3/13 - blimey!

calm down OU, you're are no longer in control of this thread!

 

[hipipol]

A better band????

The Archies!!!
The Turtles!!!!!
Any of those cheesy California types
The Minkkes were wee-wee by comparison

 

[bluestreak]

The Birds, The Bees & The Monkees

"Dream World" (David Jones/Steve Pitts)
"Auntie’s Municipal Court" (Michael Nesmith/Keith Allison)
"We Were Made for Each Other" (Carole Bayer/George Fischoff)
"Tapioca Tundra" (Michael Nesmith)
"Daydream Believer" (John Stewart)
"Writing Wrongs" (Michael Nesmith)
"I’ll Be Back Up On My Feet" (Sandy Linzer/Denny Randell)
"The Poster" (David Jones/Steve Pitts)
"P.O. Box 9847" (Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart)
"Magnolia Simms" (Michael Nesmith)
"Valleri" (Tommy Boyce/Bobby Hart)
"Zor and Zam" (Bill Chadwick/John Chadwick)

6/12

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

I listen to the best of The Monkees from time to time, but never the Beatles - their songs were sweet and catchy without being cloying, whereas the Beatles.....yechh.
Am I talking shit?

I don't like any beatles songs and plenty of Monkees songs so I vote the monkees.

I quite like some of thier own stuff too. Did they write listen to the band? That rocks.

Nesmiths solo album is bullshit, he can't even do his own 'different drum' as well as the lemon heads and that's saying something. (get the pastels one for the best version).

Headquarters is a bit bollocks and they still barely played the main instuments on it (check out the credits on the back) they did however give credit to those who did, and make an effort to play some instuments.

I love the Monkees. That is all.

 

[Sunspots]

So what? IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO WROTE THE SONGS! I'm not asking who were better songwriters. but who were the better band

Er... -if you read my posts on this thread you'll see that I say more than once that, personally, it doesn't change my enjoyment of the music.

 

[bluestreak]

Head soundtrack

Opening Ceremony
"Porpoise Song (Theme from Head)" (Goffin/King)
"Ditty Diego-War Chant" (Nicholson/Rafelson)
"Circle Sky" (Nesmith)
Supplicio
"Can You Dig It" (Tork)
Gravy
Superstitious
"As We Go Along" (King/Stern)
Dandruff?
"Daddy's Song" (Nilsson)
Poll
"Long Title: Do I Have to Do This All Over Again" (Tork)
Swami-Plus Strings (Ken Thorne), Etc.

3/7


Hey, hey, we are The Monkees
You know we love to please
A manufactured image
With no philosophies.
[...]
Hey, hey, we are The Monkees
We've said it all before
The money's in, we're made of tin
We're here to give you more!
The money's in, we're made of tin
We're here to give you...*gunshot*

 

[Dubversion]

comparing the Minkeys to Ol Blue Eyes, well thats a fucking SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!!!

that wasn't really my point though, was it?

 

[goldenecitrone]

Let's face it, the whole trajectory of the Beatles from the Quarrymen, through the Hamburg nights fueled by amphetamine and German hookers to conquering America pisses all over the manufactured bullshit of the Monkees. And if you can't see that then I'm afraid that you have no soul.

 

[Dubversion]

well that's my 'soul-selling-pension-plan' buggered then.

 

[ohmyliver]

The original line-up released six studio albums, none of which feature more than half of the songs written by members of The Monkees. On most of those six albums, it's only about a third of the songs.

I wish it weren't the case, but it is.

If you think thats bad, there is only one jagger richards number on the first stones album!