cozmikbrew
Bass case
the apostles were a contradiction full stop,and all the bettr for it,the question wasnt having a go,its just that the whole 80s anarcho scene pretty much shaped who iam and was curious
The main thing wrong with Oi! music is...
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Fedayn
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Who mentioned 'utopia'? No one? I know you've a typically irrelevant anarcho distaste for winning reforms but we're not all at your revolutionary zenith revol.
Oh and stop making yet more bollocks up and stick to the topic in hand.
revol68
what, fucking what?
I take it that dirty look of yours can knock down straw men too then?
I mean obviously having contempt for a left bourgeois running dog like Sheridan and his pathetic socialist manifesto with promises with £7 an hour call centre jobs is the same as say rejecting a strike or struggle for a pay rise from actual call centre workers.
Anyway yes Oi! music is embarrassing shite, now the reserve of old fat men and a handful of young middle class kids dressed as macho working class stereotypes. Again much like Class War.
I mean obviously having contempt for a left bourgeois running dog like Sheridan and his pathetic socialist manifesto with promises with £7 an hour call centre jobs is the same as say rejecting a strike or struggle for a pay rise from actual call centre workers.
Anyway yes Oi! music is embarrassing shite, now the reserve of old fat men and a handful of young middle class kids dressed as macho working class stereotypes. Again much like Class War.
cozmikbrew
Bass case
Yeeeeeeesssssssssss,blitz,s 1st 4 singles and lp were shithot then..............
like loads of the no future stuff,fot violators summer of 81 for 50p couple a weeks ago
like loads of the no future stuff,fot violators summer of 81 for 50p couple a weeks agoI enjoy to hear it now and again but I could not listen to it nor listen to it through choice. Music for alpha males 
Griff
Feeding the foxes
Yeeeeeeesssssssssss,blitz,s 1st 4 singles and lp were shithot then..............
Yeah, their Voice of a Generation album was pretty cool. How we envisaged getting tattoos based on that cover at the time.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
It was a reform revol, no more no less. One that would have tied in with, iirc, the 2.3 male median rate. It wasn't about erecting barricades, and given part of it was written by SSP members who worked in call centres at the time, who like me previously were invovled in winning TU recognition at some call centres i'll defer to them if you don't mind. all the same.
I wouldn't call Sheridan a 'left bourgeois running dog like Sheridan', not sure i'd even use 'left' any more given his lauding of the recent SNP by election win in Baillieston.
As for embarrassing shite, well you'd know about that with your play piracy.
Like any music it has a certain timeframe and those who like punk and oi around that time often still enjoy it, remarkable someone on the apparent 'Left' would fail to recognise this.
Most of the middle class kids' into it look like you revol.
cozmikbrew
Bass case
anyway.......loved the rejects,4skins etc when i was a kid (still do)but cant think of any new oi! bands id give the time of day to,most of the bonehead bands just sound like shite metal anyway,so oi! ?.....good for a nostalgic piss up sing song other than that......
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
Yep
Anyway, the worst thing about oi is very clearly the name of the genre.
Gary
37 years old
Financial Advisor
My name is Gary and I'm a 37 year old financial advisor. I've been divorced for about a year now and am ready to start looking for love again! I like cooking meals - especially if there is somebody to cook for! - taking a walk, going to nice country pubs, art galleries and wearing stylish jackets. Oh yeah, and I really like Oi. I think Oi is the best music. Oi, oi, oi all day long; that's what I say. Ask me what my favourite music is and I'll definitely say "Oi". Because oi is my favourite kind of music.
Doesn't really work.
Gary
37 years old
Financial Advisor
My name is Gary and I'm a 37 year old financial advisor. I've been divorced for about a year now and am ready to start looking for love again! I like cooking meals - especially if there is somebody to cook for! - taking a walk, going to nice country pubs, art galleries and wearing stylish jackets. Oh yeah, and I really like Oi. I think Oi is the best music. Oi, oi, oi all day long; that's what I say. Ask me what my favourite music is and I'll definitely say "Oi". Because oi is my favourite kind of music.
Doesn't really work.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
think there may be a bit of 'historical revisionism' at play with that 'dedication' .
that track was on one of those 7" Oi EPs . Like everything else chumbawamba did it was shit.
give me bushell over that shower of wanks anyday.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
There's on track on Strength Thru Oi that makes me cringe, can't remember who does it, but it goes
"Oi Oi music for the working class"
*shudders*
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
The Garry Bushell of 1977-1981ish would be interesting yeah.
I don't know tooooo much, but I read about him getting pelted with cans and threatened by bands a hell of a lot around that time - was he actually quite respected then?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
There's on track on Strength Thru Oi that makes me cringe, can't remember who does it, but it goes
"Oi Oi music for the working class"
*shudders*
That was John Cale trying a new approach iirc.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
He was in the IS/SWP around then, he got threats for having a go at far-right bands. Some of the stuff he wrote was pretty interesting and a mile away from his current view of the world.
Aha! Another Jon Gaunt then? All we can hope is that they can't sleep at night.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
actually, if i remember correctly, Skrewdriver used to have a residency at the Blue Coat Boy (or 'Hitler's Bunker' as it was known) back then. All the other RAC bands of the day - dentists, white boss, peter & the wolves, ovalteenies etc used to play there too. think the management were threatened with it being shut down cos of all the attacks on folk after gigs so they changed the name to Skunks and banned all the overtly fascist skinhead bands.
pogofish
Testicle Hairstyle
This is about what put me off Oi! big-time.
Most, if not all of the folk I knew to be into it & who went to gigs up here were either active or at least sympathetic to some degree.
think there may be a bit of 'historical revisionism' at play with that 'dedication' .
that track was on one of those 7" Oi EPs . Like everything else chumbawamba did it was shit.
give me bushell over that shower of wanks anyday.
Whether or not you like them, there's no revisionism. The track was always intended as a pisstake.
That's a bit lame, no?
Yeh, he was in Skrewdriver, or a forerunner. But he got out before they went far-right. So where's the issue?
And I don't like All Skrewed Up because I think it's crap, not because it's racist or not.
Griff
Feeding the foxes
I'd forgotten about the Ovalteenies.
Did see another band at the time that were kind of intelligent non-RAC band, anybody remember Case? Had a sax player if I remember rightly, and the lead singer looked a right hard bastard.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
gaunt was never that 'Left' but I get your point. Difference is aswell imho that Bushell was genuinely invovled with the music and did work to try and get those bands a break etc..
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
That's a bit lame, no?
Yeh, he was in Skrewdriver, or a forerunner. But he got out before they went far-right. So where's the issue?
And I don't like All Skrewed Up because I think it's crap, not because it's racist or not.
Well it's a fairly obvious one and true. Not liking the music is fair enough. he album I like and own is before the racist crap too.
what, emo?
Yup the very same. There's a few up here who are slightly taller revol-a-likes who went to an 'oi' night ran by a lad I knew well for a while.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
I've known Andy since 1982. he's always been a walking contradiction, but much of his provocative statements were made simply to expose the supine attitudes so many in the scene displayed. the fact that few did ever challenge him on such contradictions is why he was always so fiercely critical of 'anarcho punk' as it developed.
something i personally think to be a bit pointless, as really , it wsn't much more than a fashion with a few decent bands and to endow it with anything greater is perhaps giving it a status that only really existed to those involved.
chico enrico
No hair shows you care.
and has also achieved black belt status in about 6 different martial arts, so perhaps he also also found an acceptable outlet for his 'anger'
I always think if there was some post-apocalyptic 'Mad Max' style social melt-down Andy would be in his element!!
cozmikbrew
Bass case
Wouldnt be who iam today if it wasnt for anarcho punk,so to me and many others not just a fashion
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