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The main thing wrong with Oi! music is...

Fedayn said:
........ it's co-option by, and sadly wide association with, far-right politcs and boneheads. Ie Hamborough Tavern Southall and the 'Strength thru Oi' album cover. :mad::rolleyes: being far more of a reminder than the phrase 'Oi for England and England for the workers'.

Quite like it as it goes, but nowhere near as much as reggae and soul.

The Oi bands rom the late 70's early 80's, ie Cock Sparrer, The Last Resort, Infa Riot, Cockney Rejects, The Business are way better than the stuff that came later and are 'new' such as The Crack, Argy Bargy, Burial etc etc.
As for Skrewdriver, the first Album on Chiswick is pretty fucking good.
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Some of these bands as you said were quite good. But it really seems stuck in 1982 really.

The Strength Thru Oi album does actually stand the test of time though, and does have some good stuff on it that still seems relevent today.

Saw Skrewdriver a couple of times when I was 15 and they were way out there in the terms of nastiness. A different league to anything else.

Combat 84 had the highest fight ratio of any gig I've ever seen (Blue Coat Boy in Islington) :eek:
 
Griff said:
Some of these bands as you said were quite good. But it really seems stuck in 1982 really.

The Strength Thru Oi album does actually stand the test of time though, and does have some good stuff on it that still seems relevent today.

Saw Skrewdriver a couple of times when I was 15 and they were way out there in the terms of nastiness. A different league to anything else.

Combat 84 had the highest fight ratio of any gig I've ever seen (Blue Coat Boy in Islington) :eek:
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You didn't see Skrewdriver at the farm in Suffolk in 1985 did you. Griffins dads farm iirc?!

Only saw them once and that was when I wanted a nose, I went with a mate and neiother of us had Skrewdriver politics. Uncomfy as fuck frankly.

Prefer Cock Sparrer-worked with a former guitarist-and The Business myself.
 
This is probably a thicky question, but I don't know a lot about Oi:

If you went to watch, say, Screwdriver, did that mean that you necessarily subscribed to some kind of nationalistic politics?
 
it's embarassing macho shite and has become a carciature of an outdated notion of male working class identity.

It's got a lot in common with Class War, actually.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
This is probably a thicky question, but I don't know a lot about Oi:

If you went to watch, say, Screwdriver, did that mean that you necessarily subscribed to some kind of nationalistic politics?
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There'd be very few at a Skrewdriver gig who were either not fash or at least not bothred by the racism. There's always one or two there for a look.
 
Fedayn said:
There'd be very few at a Skrewdriver gig who were either not fash or at least not bothred by the racism. There's always one or two there for a look.
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Yeh, it doesn't necessarily follow that if you like Skrewdriver you're fash, but you'll be thoroughly aware of what they represent so if you go and see them you must at least to some extent be excusing, if not condoning, that. Owning an album's one thing - I never would, but I'm not going to judge someone who does, especially the pre-Oi stuff. But actively going to see them? It's a hard sell to make me believe you're not at least forgiving it.
 
littlebabyjesus said:
This is probably a thicky question, but I don't know a lot about Oi:

If you went to watch, say, Screwdriver, did that mean that you necessarily subscribed to some kind of nationalistic politics?
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There were lots of Punk/Oi bands at that time and you could go and see say The Vice Squad on a tuesday at the 100 Club then the following Tuesday you could get Skrewdriver with London Branch supporting. A completely different kettle of fish.

As for me, at 15 nah, it wasn't nationalistic politics, just guitar bands with attidtude. Flittering between Oi/punk/Anarcho Punk

It soon became apparent Skrewdriver were out there and not really what you'd call part of the Oi scene.
 
Fedayn said:
Aaaaahhh here comes the wee man who claims he 'faces down' thos caricatures..... :rolleyes:
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by faced down we of course mean 'snirked to himself'.

Would it help you get over this slight to your obviously fragile masculinity if I told you my snirking was born of fear of your unspoken yet obvious power.
 
revol68 said:
by faced down we of course mean 'snirked to himself'.

Would it help you get over this slight to your obviously fragile masculinity if I told you my snirking was born of fear of your unspoken yet obvious power.
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You were the one 'bigging yourself up' revol and arguing with my anarcho mates. I wasn't involved in your later retold tales of derring-do.
 
Griff said:
As for me, at 15 nah, it wasn't nationalistic politics, just guitar bands with attidtude. Flittering between Oi/punk/Anarcho Punk
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Noisy and angry is a good combination.

Apart maybe from bands like Crass, there seems to be fair bit of confusion and contradiction in a lot of the Anarcho-Punk bands from then that I've heard (at the time, it totally passed me by). Do you think that's a fair comment?
 
El Jefe said:
Owning an album's one thing - I never would, but I'm not going to judge someone who does, especially the pre-Oi stuff.
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Why not? Because you don't like their later/hidden politics or you don't like their music full stop?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Noisy and angry is a good combination.

Apart maybe from bands like Crass, there seems to be fair bit of confusion and contradiction in a lot of the Anarcho-Punk bands from then that I've heard (at the time, it totally passed me by). Do you think that's a fair comment?
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givesus an example of the contradiction?
 
littlebabyjesus said:
Noisy and angry is a good combination.

Apart maybe from bands like Crass, there seems to be fair bit of confusion and contradiction in a lot of the Anarcho-Punk bands from then that I've heard (at the time, it totally passed me by). Do you think that's a fair comment?
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Well the Crass bands were good, you needed time to hear them, read their pamphlets etc. :D

Not sure about confusion & contradiction, you didn't go and see Discharge, the Vice Squad or Anti-Pasti for anything other than a good time really. Maybe there was contradiction in their lyrics, but nobody cared. :D
 
Fedayn said:
Why not? Because you don't like their later/hidden politics or you don't like their music full stop?
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I don't like any of it, and I also wouldn't feel comfortable about having something with those associations. But that's a personal thing, not a judgement call
 
Fedayn said:
You were the one 'bigging yourself up' revol and arguing with my anarcho mates. I wasn't involved in your later retold tales of derring-do.
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If you think mentioning the fact i smirked to myself at the grumpy skin giving dirty looks counts as boasting or facing down anyone, well...

Personally I don't think I could ever use the phrase 'facing down' with a straight face. I really didn't mean to in any way challenge or belittle your masculinity and I was most certainly not trying to inflate my own, though it's quite obvious your's means a lot more to you.

Anyway can you please get over this and stick to topic at hand, you're an old man for crying outloud.
 
El Jefe said:
I don't like any of it, and I also wouldn't feel comfortable about having something with those associations. But that's a personal thing, not a judgement call
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The first album, All Skrewed up' is actually pretty fucking good, no hint of the racism or later shite politics. Btw have you ever listened with approval to Mark Radcliffe?
 
cozmikbrew said:
givesus an example of the contradiction?
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OK, The Apostles – a poster on here used to be a member of them.

Andy Martin was a very angry young man who would extol the virtues of the RAF one minute and condemn communism the next. By turns nationalist and internationalist, but always, always angry.
 
revol68 said:
If you think mentioning the fact i smirked to myself at the grumpy skin giving dirty looks counts as boasting or facing down anyone, well...

Personally I don't think I could ever use the phrase 'facing down' with a straight face. I really didn't mean to in any way challenge or belittle your masculinity and I was most certainly not trying to inflate my own, though it's quite obvious your's means a lot more to you.

Anyway can you please get over this and stick to topic at hand, you're an old man for crying outloud.
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The dirty looks were because of delaying getting to the pub, not because of a trio of irrelevant anarchists dribbling out their idiocy.

Don't worry about my perceived masculinity revol, I don't.

As for the topic, some oi is pretty good, some is ok ish some shite.
 
Fedayn said:
The dirty looks were because of delaying getting to the pub, not a trio of irrelevant anarchists dribbling out their idiocy.

Don't worry about my perceived masculinity revol, I don't.

As for the topic, some oi is pretty good, some is ok ish some shite.
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Surely the trots talking about the dawn of a Scottish Socialist utopia with £7 an hour call centres all under the benevolent rule of Tommy Sheridan were dribbling more idiocy.

Fucking £7 an hour fucking call centres, fucking ScrewDriver are more socialist than that!
 
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