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I'm cynical about the latter point, but open to persuasion. going out now, though, sorry.
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I'm cynical about the latter point, but open to persuasion. going out now, though, sorry.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Not particularly.
I would countenance complete withdrawal if necessary but it wouldn't be a starting point.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Hmm, Russia's nationalised industries didn't do too badly in industrialising the country, did they? Or getting into space?
But no - all nationalised industries are incapable of innovation.
And no, I'm not a tankie, btw.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What would/could make it neccesary? If it turned into a neo-liberal attack on the w/c?
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
NASA is effectively a nationalised industry.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
No, but thanks for the subtle hint.
Obviously a left wing UK government would soon come into conflict with treaties on the liberalisation of public services etc. If these could not be rescinded or ignored with threats, stubbornness and diplomacy, it might be necessary to either withdraw or be deliberately thrown out.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Hang on, how did we get to left wing govt exisiting? I'm on about right now glen.
glenquagmire
Rightwing NuLab apologist
Well I was discussing the 1983 manifesto, which was the topic of this thread. Therefore I was explaining (in answer to a question) what IMO ought to be in the election manifesto of a left wing party seeking to win power and what its subsequent policy should be.
If you want to start a poll about immediate withdrawal from the EU right now, by all means start a poll thread, but it's not relevant to this thread and it's not particularly relevant, given that none of us are in power right now.
If you want to start a poll about immediate withdrawal from the EU right now, by all means start a poll thread, but it's not relevant to this thread and it's not particularly relevant, given that none of us are in power right now.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
*not talking*
Ok glen, no worries
Ok glen, no worries
dennisr
the acceptable face
Mono mania !
- 84-85 was the miner's strike. By then Kinnock was the replacement for Foot. Kinnock started the move that led to 'New Labour' - the move to 'modernise' those 'stale' old socialist policies. Part of that was to attack the left wing in labour. No it was not about attacking one tiny group - it was to attack them as the organised left as a prelude to attacking the entire left of the party (including the council left reformists - those that did not run to the right at a rate of knots), as the Militants pointed out at the time. By the end of the 80s that tiny groups editorial board was expelled - and it was a test of the rest of the left. There was also the attacks on Liverpool city council at the end of the 80s (led by that 'tiny' group - who were clearly becoming a pain in Kinnocks side). The left reformists hoped that by standing aside they would not be next in the firing line (with a few honourable exceptions). That didn't work.You were in the Labour Party at the time BA - do you think Blairism and new Labour were some sort of coup that changed everything in the 90s? Was Liverpool a 'tiny' event?
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
1983 manifesto, a step too far then....
I'm looking forward to our withdrawl from Europe next.
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