The left needs a broad mass-narrative: Suggest themes, methods and strategies
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There it is. The traditional narrative. Delusion as a dishonourable act. “Normal” people just don’t feel that strongly about what goes on in other people’s heads. Just a bunch of semi-autistic politicos throwing tantrums over the conflicts in others’ system-of-thought. It’s not appealing. Oh no.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
He means John McDonnell, the Quakers, and the SWP. Seriously that's what he said last time I asked.
Hey, you've never said that before.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Great - Carousel smothers yet another thread in broad daylight.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
problems for the left.
if your not in a union and outside of the public sector there mostly extinct then they don't concern you or effect you unless theres a strike which fucks things up for you.
The goverments shit at providing services so the idea of nationlising things just means they provide a shitter service difficult for certain orginisation but I think its a goal worth striving for comrades
if your not in a union and outside of the public sector there mostly extinct then they don't concern you or effect you unless theres a strike which fucks things up for you.
The goverments shit at providing services so the idea of nationlising things just means they provide a shitter service difficult for certain orginisation but I think its a goal worth striving for comrades
problems for the left.
The goverments shit at providing services so the idea of nationlising things just means they provide a shitter service difficult for certain orginisation but I think its a goal worth striving for comrades
Are you thirteen?
You do it to yourselves. Besides, what's at stake? No one put a gun to MacNeice's head and forced him to demonstrate a code of fucking honour that accounts for the public’s indifference to whatever variations on Victorian ideology are on offer. Get off my case. You think your post makes it any better? You think it won’t exacerbate whatever problem you’ve detected. Compulsion was it? Man up Butchers, take some control of your emotions.
As if I buy into your reverence for originality and meaning. I tell you what, if you want an original reply, try posting something new yourself.
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
in what way is being anti-war somehow abdicating 'historic role of defender of the poor'?
specially when you consider it's a war begun by the elite benefitting only the elite, and the elite recruit from poorer areas so they can have some poor sods desparate for a wage/job to fight for them.
in what way is wanting to live free of industrial pollution (the enviro) abidication of historic role of defender of the poor?
specially when you consider that some poor community was promised jobs, worked their asses off for shit wages, then got burdened with the costs of cleanup after those polluting businesses moved their production to countries where wages were less.
Yadda yadda. Mean minded point scoring. Typical of contemporary "political" discourse. Struggling to find a narrative? No wonder.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Rod Sleeves
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Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Don't blame Carousel, it's those who respond to him that are to blame.
Sorry - Louis MacNeice
Oh fuck me though. It's all so wet and whiney isn't it? Can't you see what a bunch of weak pussies you look like from the point of view of the BNP’s natural constituency? Hardly an inspirational army flexing its muscles in glorious victory is it. Oh no. That’s “right wing” and “macho” anyway. Some narrative.
Another aspect of the left wing narrative. Apportioning blame. The fucking sickly boy scout pursuit of the guilty party based on what you imagine they’re like, not on the material effect. Look back. My posts are about things other than the poster. The same can’t be said for yours. To you, the motivation of the individual is the subject of interest. A treatise in good and evil, a question of principle - rather than what really matters, which is a question of programme.Don't blame Carousel, it's those who respond to him that are to blame.
Someone will likely bring up my hypocrisy now as a worthwhile matter for discussion, thus displaying their debilitating compulsion to pursue transcendental justice.
likesfish
You can't park here sir
no remeber BT when it was in the "peoples" hands phone choice one of 4 approved handsets wait around for months for a line etc etc.
British leyland was shite etc.
monopolys are always shit customer gets fecked over
invisibleplanet
porter des cornes
an inspirational army of martyrs, willing to die for g0d and country.carousel said:
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
I have always wondered what goes on in the council's commitee clerk's heads. Its quite frightening.
Yeah well. Good.
Fucking beats a gang of whiney anoraks moaning about some mythological Machiavellian elite.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Because it has the "virtue" of simplicity. It appeals to "commonsense" golden-age narratives while retaining the appearance (usually through spin and a few carefully chosen "talking points") of being relevant.
IMO, only if you want to indulge in the same flights of fancy as the right.
Rod Sleeves
New Member
Ever seen The Cell?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Sorry, did you say something?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
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No need to apologise. You seriously believe the public's values are a matter of information? That if only they knew the truth they’d, well, what? Impose a different social policy?
I mean, yourself for instance, it’s not a matter of information is it? It’s actually a particular ideal of what humanity should be. It’s an idea of what is cruel, say, and to what extent cruelty is acceptable. Knowing that the cruelty really exists isn’t going to make anyone feel anymore strongly against it. They may even take comfort in it, just as any audience can relish violence. Asserting a kind of humanitarian species-being, corrupted and brutalised by lies, just reinvents the paternalistic narrative that led to the current malaise.
You’re left with a three way choice. Given that people are not what you would have them to be, are they misguided, evil or stupid? The misguided angle, the matter of information, rather assumes you have special access or insights they don’t share. Seems unlikely.
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