Spion
I hear ya
I must have imagined the recent council, teacher and oil worker strikes
Change the record, you depressive prat.
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Change the record, you depressive prat.
Spion
I hear ya
You've lost it too
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Some madness here today 
Don't forget what is happening in Italy:
From the Guardian:
Remember that Berlusconi is / was admired by Blair....
From the Guardian:
Remember that Berlusconi is / was admired by Blair....
dennisr
the acceptable face
suffering is what one has to do with tedious cunts like you
so - there is no class division any more ?- hospitals and schools are not being flogged off? workers pensions, rights and wages are not being attacked? the rich arn't getting richer? the poor arn't getting poorer? its all a leftie fantasy... (oh and the working class is a gibbering mass of idiots with no potential power - I've got to admit if they were all like poster and you - then you two would have a point..)
oh ell not as big a fantasy as your personal 'anarchist' dream of having any relevance at all. If the 'left' is outdated - the 'anarchist' are completely dead in the water
dennisr
the acceptable face
Spion
I hear ya
Innit. Quite a few hysterical soldiers in the trench. It'll be revolver time soonSome madness here today
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Won their demands, have they?
As I said - there's no EFFECTIVE labour movement in this country. A harmless and tokenistic, let-off-steam-for-a-few-activists one, maybe.
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
You reckon?
I'm VERY worried about the future energy supply for the world. Oil looks to have peaked, and Gas isn't far away. As these things start to decline, it will become very obvious how fragile the system is. Expect inflation, rationing, war and shortages of food.
Go look at any study of world water supplies. You'll see that aquifers that took 1000s of years to fill are being drained empty, rivers no longer reach the sea, water sources are being polluted.
Topsoil similarly takes 100s of years to be created and cannot be synthesised. Industrial agriculture robs soil of nutrients and erodes it to be washed into the sea. The United States has lost half of its topsoil since 1960.
The population of the world is growing, and they are being fed and powered by resources that are being exhausted faster than they are being created, or by resources that cannot be created or substituted.
That club of rome stuff from the 70s - they were right, they just had the timing wrong.
PS: I'm thinking about 50-year timescales, not eg. the next general election
Spion
I hear ya
Looks like the oil workers did. Dunno about the other lot, but those struggles need support and strategies to spread and make them effective not prats like you who have basically lost it pretending they don't even exist
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Innit. Quite a few hysterical soldiers in the trench. It'll be revolver time soon
It's the Johnson effect spreading it's happiness....
Innit. Quite a few hysterical soldiers in the trench. It'll be revolver time soon
So you're not concerned about the prospect of a $200 barrel of oil? If that doesn't worry you, how about the combination of a $200 barrel of oil combined with a government that has no idea how to deal with such an energy crisis, as David Strahan has recently and convincingly shown?
dennisr
the acceptable face
as opposed to a supine whimpering coward in the corner, saying 'its all hopeless' who puts his neck on the floor just waiting for what he considers the inevitable jack-boot.
idiot - the problem with you cowards is you don't know how hard it will actually get - 'holiday in cambodia' and all that - but millions of other folk - luckily - don't give up the ability to survive and struggle
dennisr
the acceptable face
so kill yourself
KeyboardJockey
Clowns to the Left of me
Hyde Park, 2009.
If you look carefully at the person 4 rows in you can clearly see its Richard Barnbrook wanking off another solider of fascism.
Innit. Quite a few hysterical soldiers in the trench. It'll be revolver time soon
Fear not Urban's masses will rise before fascism can raise its ugly head in this sceptred isle, they'll organise an offline event or something.
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
Sorry, but l'll believe in an induistrial dispute that's WON by the workers (and not either ignored, sold-out, or quietly reneged-upon by the bosses when the fuss dies down) when I see one.
Part of the left's biggest failure of recent times is it's bizarre retreat into over-stated, hollow triumphalism and baseless optimism. Constant clutching at straws.
Spion
I hear ya
Not got time really for this now, but I agree with most of that. I just found your prognosis of the political corrolary to it was way off and lacked a basic faith/realism in the fact that people will resist the effects of crisis in progressive ways, as they already are in many countries around the world. I felt you jumped straight to some sort of comic book catastrophic political landscape. You should study the seeds of changes that exist in people's responses as much as you do the basic man/nature crisis
I'm glad you're giving the issue your full and careful consideration.
Wow talk about this thread proving the point made by the OP.
Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
'There has never been a better time to be a socialist' has to be one of the most hollow and dishonest statements I've seen in years.
Mind you, it does come from the SWP.
People think the left is a joke because they don't understand how society is organised and they are far too complacent and optimistic about the political situation and their own future prospects. You seem no different to the rest.
The country is not fascist at the moment, and it would be foolish to claim that it was. There is enormous cause for concern in terms of the direction its headed though, and the lack of any opposition to it. As hs already been mentioned, look at Italy - bona fide fascism in political office once again. There's nothing magical about Britain that means it won't happen here, personally I think the British are rather prone to it.
dennisr
the acceptable face
As opposed to your just "bizarre retreat"?
poster342002
PROPER leftwing socialist
We won't change the facts just by refusing to look them in the face.
dennisr
the acceptable face
thats right...
remind me what the 'point' was again
do give us you 'insight' (including 'solutions')...
Crispy
The following psytrance is baṉned: All
Look at you, Boris may win and the tories take over a load of councils and you're worried that the third reich is going to kick your doors down. The tories aren't going to do anything that new labour wouldn't (this close to a general election, they'd ruin their chances of winning if they went out on a wing and did something daft).
Italy is a vastly different country politcally to ours, I don't presume we're some magical kingdom that is immune from the worst but for god's sake man, have some faith in people. Even the bluest of tories isn't going to suddenly going to adopt fasc' ideologies.
Britain isn't some autarky that can survive on it's own, even the BNP know that.
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