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The Last Jedi : BEWARE SPOILERS YOU SHOULD

Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by ruffneck23, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    That's interesting, Maltin, thanks.

    When I say it should always be three leader dots, I wasn't talking about SW movies specifically, but grammar/best practice in general.

    Surprised they've only ever managed to get it right once.
     
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  2. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    Perhaps the grammar rules were different a long time ago in a galaxy, far, far, away....
     
  3. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    It’s just that you need extra dots to fill space (the vast emptiness of).
     
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  4. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    It wasn't them telling the story though, was it?

    They didn't know they were long ago and far away.
     
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  5. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    One of them who would have traveled for ages to come tell us about it. How else would we know about it?
     
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  6. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    How does anyone know anything?

    We googled it.
     
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  7. T & P

    T & P |-o-| (-o-) |-o-|

    Finally watched it so i’m able to join this thread. I thought it was bloody great, and so much better than TFA.

    Not perfect though, and some plot holes became apparent to my mind. Mostly the rather absurd Wacky Races spaceship chase at low speed. What prevented any one of the First Order ships from breaking formation, overtaking the convoy and facing the Resistance flagship head-on to finish it off, rather than chasing it for 18 hours like fools?

    Still, very pleased overall, and can’t wait to watch it again.
     
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  8. cybershot

    cybershot Well-Known Member

    I enjoyed it, except for maybe the last 30 minutes which just felt like an after thought, and would actually have been a better way to start the next film rather than how to end one.

    This film did make it quite clear this story could just go on forever, so I do wonder how long it will take before I get bored, just as I am with most of the Marvel stuff now. I honestly do feel, they will milk this franchise for the next 10-20 years, and like the comic book stuff, if people keep going to see them, they will keep making them.

    Almost every trailer beforehand was for another comic book/superhero film, and they all just looked shite, so if people can stop going to see them, that would be great.
     
  9. xenon

    xenon Carne Por la Machina

    Saw this on Thursday and read this thread.

    Negative stuff first. Yes the Princess Leia space flying was risible. I subsequently suspected they'd kill off the character, as I thought she was on the medical frigget that got destroyed.

    Agreeing with some others, Luke apparently going to murder his nephew struck a wrong note. I couldn't buy that Luke would do that. Maybe there's more to come on this.

    Snoke was a bit of a disappointment in the end. That whole scene was quite predictable as soon as Rae entered the thrown room. She obviously wasn't going to die. And spunk FFS, don't say that. You're meant to be sinister cloke wearing space wizard, not Stonefish from fucking neighbours.

    Would have been nice to see more of the cacino, interactions and the band playing the Cantina tune in the background. The chase thing was daft.

    Why didn't Luke just turn up and fight Kylo if it was basically going to burn him out and kill him anyway. I mean, given that he was apparently up for murdering him in cold blood years earlier.

    It was a bit long, I needed a piss from about half way through though so that coloured my temporal awareness.

    The good stuff.

    Aside all that, over all, I did like it. The opening scenes were great, showing the cost of war to the resistance. Kylo is an interesting villan. A dangerous unpredictable fuckup. I quite liked the rug being pulled away re the code breaker sub plot. Suspect we'll see him again. And yeah, agreed, I hope it turns out Rae's parents were basically nobodies. That is more interesting than she being another Skywalker relative.
     
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  10. S☼I

    S☼I knismesis & volubility

    :D
     
  11. Vintage Paw

    Vintage Paw dead stare and computer glare

    I loved it from start to finish. Got nothing bad to say about it. The silent scene was excellent. It felt like all the air had been sucked out of the room.
     
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  12. ginger_syn

    ginger_syn >¿✴

    I found it rather boring gave up after an hour and four minutes and wandered off , which i was suprised at as i liked force awakens and rogue one. A definite thumbs down for this, I liked justice league better and should have gone to see jumanji instead.
     
  13. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The end is meh

    It's just another genre, though. Westerns, gangster movies all had their peaks and troughs in popularity. If SW moves beyond the confines of the time period, location and family saga it could easily survive.
     
  14. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    Star Wars is multi genre. George stole bits a bobs from everywhere and slung it together in a riotous tapestry that somehow works.

    It’s a Space Western, Space Swashbuckler, Space Fantasy, Space War Film and Space Rom Com.

    ... to name but a few.
     
  15. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    Are you saying that as Yoda, or as a chirpy cockney chap?
     
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  16. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    Vice Admiral (acting General?) Holdo's plan depended on secrecy, and failed specifically because of loose-lipped Rebel personnel. She was proven correct in keeping her cards close to her chest.
    The mutiny, and Finn & Rose's side-mission, are part of a character-comparison story that pits the impulsive mansplainy young gun Poe, against the wiser, more measured, older female characters who hold command. Presumably the audience, caught up in the adrenaline rush of it all, are supposed to back the seemingly more enterprising Poe, only to discover (along with him) that a more measured and cautious approach is sometimes the more successful way.
    Poe actually caused the failure of Haldo's plan at the cost of the lives of countless Rebel fighters.
     
  17. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    Proposed spin-off film set between The Last Jedi and Episode 9 which is just two hours of Poe in therapy reflecting on his guilt.
     
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  18. magneze

    magneze mnemonic beef

    It's about as good as Star Wars gets. Really great. Let's not get hung up on Leia as Superwoman. Or shall we?
     
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  19. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    I feel the 'denial' phase would be a particularly long section.
     
  20. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    What did Poe have to feel guilty about?

    * - I've just dived in mid-thread so ignore me if you're talking about Edgar Allen Poe
     
  21. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    Poe (Dameron)'s impulsive and indeed, treasonous, intervention not only failed on it's own terms, but also led to the First Order's discovery of the evacuation plan (via the code-breaker DJ,who had overheard Finn discussing it with Poe), which led to the plan's partial failure, and the deaths of a large swathe of the existing Rebel population (including Vice Admiral Holdo herself).
    I thought General Leia was extremely generous (or pragmatic) in rehabilitating him.
     
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  22. Wilf

    Wilf Well-Known Member

    To be fair, on guitar, some people take ages to master Smoke on the Water. I managed in a mere 6 months. :thumbs:
     
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  23. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    The greatest teacher is failure.
     
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  24. 8ball

    8ball Most Ignoreable Poster 2016

    Yeah, but he was trying to help - its not like he did a Lando. And it was a pretty good plan which would have made the film a good deal duller if he hadn’t done it and provided a new environment with creatures and characters that expanded merchandising opportunities by up to 16%.
     
  25. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    A 'good' plan, would be one that furthered the cause of the rebellion, thwarted the designs of the First Order, and contributed to the restoration of balance within the Universe, not one that made for better entertainment opportunities during the retelling, in a completely different era and galaxy! :mad:
     
  26. ruffneck23

    ruffneck23 Well-Known Member

    to be honest it was yoda talk , but after watching TLJ, I'm gonna go with cockney, I've stayed away from the thread after a poster flounced off as I dared to find fault with the film .

    but after reflecting for a bit, il say this firm has done something amazing...

    made me not want to go and see the ' Solo' film or the next episode on first day
     
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  27. Gromit

    Gromit International Man of Misery

    He's loyal but rash and impulsive when kept in the dark.

    So how should we deal with him... I know lets keep him in the dark yet again. I know that he keeps doing rash and impulsive things when we do this but hey if he gets enough people killed he's bound to learn eventually.

    Over engineered bullshit story arc to squeeze some 'intrigue' and extra action in.
     
  28. alsoknownas

    alsoknownas some bloke

    You had to go on an 'engineered story arc' of your own to twist the blame on the command ;).
     
  29. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby The end is meh

    It was the first time we saw her use the force. It was awesome. I don't get why some people have issues withh it.
     
  30. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Because it looked bloody daft.
     

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