Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by ruffneck23, Dec 13, 2017.

  1. chilango

    chilango Cold, frankly incensed and...meh

    I’m liking the increasing idea that the force can be used by anyone regardless of bloodline or indoctrination.

    Neither Jedi nor Sith but Intergalactic Socialism!
  2. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    The length wasn't an issue for. It was rushing through too many stories. Trying to tell Rey, Luke, Kylo, Leia, Finn, Poe stories and give space to introduce at least 3 new characters, some new creatures, and shoe horn in a bit of Chewie, R2, Yoda, C3PO was all too much. Even 2.5hrs wasn't enough do any of them any justice.

    ......and I dont think any of those strands wouldn't have all been enjoyable, just not all needed at once.

    Except the space horse chase, which was just rubbish.....and the orphans....I hope Kylo sweeps in and kills them all in the next film.

    We don't need a Jedi micky mouse club rising up to conquer the dark side and then going on to be intergalatic saturday morning superstars.....
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  3. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    Yes. I like that Rey might just be a nobody.
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  4. S☼I

    S☼I You in a bad mood Harry?

    Anakin was too old, iirc.
  5. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    I think that was always the case tbf. Was normal for some very 'strong in the Force' types to be turned away by the Jedi due to doctrinal reasons.
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  6. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Me too. I was kind of cringing at the imminent lost aristocratic geneaology thing, but that made it better.
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  7. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Indeed. Though this was Jedi training rather than strictly 'Force' stuff.

    Bit like being a Shao-lin monk as opposed to learning Kung Fu.
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  8. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    But the length is there because they were trying to do too many stories. When you think about good actiony films (like Diehard or even the more complex Bourne Identity), they have ONE plot. That is the correct number of plots for an action adventure imo, because they should be tight and high-adrenalin, not wandering around all over the place. And the first two Star Wars films managed to achieve their mammoth success without lots of little subplots. This tendency is dire.
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  9. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Agree with too long and trying to cram a bit too much in.
    Wonder how it will hold up to future watchings, though.
  10. fucthest8

    fucthest8 What the zarking fardwark was that?

    Disagree entirely. Opinions eh? What are they like again?

    E2A: I didn't notice the length at all. Was really surprised to discover I'd been in the cinema that long.
  11. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    On the use of the Force by non-trained people - it's been implicit in the films for a long time that some people have natural (innate?) sensitivity to the Force and can use it even unconsciously. Young Anakin has supernaturally fast reflexes before he has training. If you want to get into it, you could probably argue that Han is also unconsciously strong with the Force, although in his case it appears like just good luck.
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  12. N_igma

    N_igma Epistemic nuisance

    But we know Luke is special from his backstory there’s exposition there. Not with Rey the child of two scavengers from Jakku desert? That’s not Skywalker material there as I said the only thing that could tie it all together is if it turns out she is Kylo’s sister but why lie to us if that is the case?
  13. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    The whole point was to break with the 'aristocratic blood' assumption.
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  14. N_igma

    N_igma Epistemic nuisance

    That would create more issues than it solves imo. A neat idea but just doesn’t seem right to me. Meh see how it plays out in the next episode.
  15. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Not really. Yoda wasn't from an aristo lineage, and Vader's parentage was frankly murky.
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  16. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    I thought I was agreeing wih you.
  17. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    I think it's fair to say that George Lucas was fibbing when he claimed (in my RotJ commerative mag) that he had 9 films planned out from the start....
  18. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    He did write a treatment for Episodes 7-9 but Disney decided not to use them.
  19. Cloo

    Cloo Surfeit of lampreys

    Just seen it... agree with overlong, casino bit rather crap (gsv pointed out that scifi casino scenes inevitably tacky as fuck). Gsv also suggested that actually, it would be good to just end the story with this one, though obviously they won't

    But great moments of awesome from a few characters, some decent, proper emotional stuff and I like the suggestion that actually perhaps the Jedi, as we know them at least, are should come to an end. They'd better not ruin it by making Rey's parents anyone.

    Was a bit emotional every time Carrie came on screen.
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  20. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    Ok, good. I've been slightly surprised by how surprised other people have been by this development. I always thought the implication was anyone can have force-sensitivity, just like anyone can have good hand/eye co-ordination, and from there it's about training.
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  21. blossie33

    blossie33 trailer trash

    Went to see it this afternoon, I'm quite easy to please so I enjoyed it.
    I somehow expected a very unexpected twist for the ending but didn't think there was.

    Did anyone else think that Yoda's face didn't look quite the same as the original film ':hmm:

    I love Adam Driver ( he was great in Patterson) so I do find it hard to believe he's a real Baddie :D and the sad part was loosing Carrie Fisher in real life RIP Leia
  22. PursuedByBears

    PursuedByBears Go stick your head in a pig

    Saw it today. On the whole I liked it but agree that it was too long and the whole casino planet bit could have been cut. I'll rewatch it when it's out on torrents.
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  23. A380

    A380 How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?

    I thought it was ok. But could have done with losing some of the sub plots.

    I felt is was better than TFA but not as good as Rouge One.

    Glad I saw it at the cinema. Anyone with any interest in the franchise should see it on the big screen.
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  24. DexterTCN

    DexterTCN Well-Known Member

    I think the quality of sound in the modern cinema certainly added to the film, for me. And the volume.

    The fact that people are quibbling over which of the recent three is best (Rogue One is the answer, obviously) shows how well they've been received. Making a shitload of money as well.

    All eyes on the finale.
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  25. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    It’s not like Star Wars to tell lies about who someone’s father was...
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  26. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    The answer to the question 'what do you get if you polish a turd?' maybe.
  27. marshall

    marshall Well-Known Member

    Enjoyed it, only one thing bugged me; there were FOUR leader dots at the end of the opening scene-setting words that disappear into the Galaxy. Three, always three leader dots, not two, not four, it should always be three.
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  28. starfish

    starfish No dialogue. Just plot.

    Saw it today. First Star Wars film ive seen in a cinema since an original series triple bill in 1983 aged 13. Ive seen the prequels & ep VII & Rogue One but i was unprepared for the emotional ride. I cried 4 times during this.
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  29. starfish

    starfish No dialogue. Just plot.

    I thought it was overlong, had several scenes that should have been left out & the director didnt quite know when or how to finish the film but also thought it was fantastic, had me gripped & excited & for a few moments i felt i was a kid again. The fact my dad was sitting to my right may also have contributed as he was enjoying it too.
  30. Maltin

    Maltin Well-Known Member

    This is incorrect. Four is the norm but Return of the Jedi only had 3.

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