The Last Jedi : BEWARE SPOILERS YOU SHOULD

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  1. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

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    No. No. No.
     
  2. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

    No. No. No.[/QUOTE]
    It's just as ridiculous as your pontifications
     
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  3. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

    It's just as ridiculous as your pontifications[/QUOTE]

    I love your hard on for me. It is quite touching.

    :D
     
  4. Orang Utan

    Orang Utan Sub-Sub-Librarian

  5. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    Just back from seeing it (and nearly murdering the two girls in the same row who had their phones out a majority of the time and kept getting up to chat to their mates in the front row :mad:).

    Best one since Empire IMO, maybe even better but needs a rewatch, a lot going on.

    Good development of the newer cast (although Ridley is still the weakest actor, especially when sharing the screen with Adam Driver), but the film belonged to Hamill and Fisher and they knocked it out of the park :cool:

    Laura Dern and Benicio Del Toro were great as always too, welcome additions (but dropping the casino story thread and picking up Del Toro a different way might have been better).

    Nice moment at the end with Luke's legend inspiring the next generation (and did I imagine the kid force pulling the broom?).

    Shame JJ is back for the next one, he'll likely play it safe whereas Rian Johnson made a proper film, not just an homage. Looking forward now to his new trilogy, separated from the restrictions of the Skywalkers, etc.
     
  6. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

  7. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

  8. N_igma

    N_igma Epistemic nuisance

    So Luke has to go to Dagobah and go through a all that training with Yoda to be able to master the force yet Rey can go toe to toe with Kylo Ren and literally move mountains with fuck all training? Yeh good one.
     
  9. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    Luke literally says "I've only seen this strength before once" meaning Ben Solo, and Luke's met yoda and obi wan, so why not? Why shouldn't Rey be more powerful?

    I don't get this complaint (either in Force Awakens or Last Jedi).
     
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  10. 03gills

    03gills Professional Cockwomble

    Why can't people just accept that others might have a different opinion on this film? I absolutely adored The Force Awakens but thought this was a crushing disappointment.

    I'm glad people liked it, but the opinions of those who didn't are just as valid as anyone else's. I've seen far too much of this dismissive attitude from all over t'internet from both sides.

    You liked the film? Great. You didn't? Also great.
     
  11. D'wards

    D'wards I'm an excellent driver

    This reason is why I rarely go to the pictures now. In Croydon this behaviour is particularly bad, and I sit there fizzing with rage.
    If it's a film i really want to see I'll either go to Beckenham or Wimbledon on the tram, or go to an AM showing, where the inconsiderate prats are still in bed.

    Or wait for it on kodi of course
     
  12. The Octagon

    The Octagon Stop...Hammertime

    So we can't discuss differing perspectives on common complaints at all? What's the point of that? It's not personal.
     
  13. S☼I

    S☼I You in a bad mood Harry?

    Ah. Hello, step this way. Welcome to the internet. Your induction and orientation will begin soon.
     
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  14. Beats & Pieces

    Beats & Pieces 24601 / 9430 Banned

    This. On more than one occasion recently. The last time it happened it got to the point of very nearly picking someone up and throwing them out. Why go to see a film if you are going to talk loudly throughout the screening?!

    :mad:

    On a separate note I did go to see the film again, and I still feel the same.
     
  15. Voley

    Voley Ramoner

    I thought it was great. I was a kid again for two hours. Luke's bit at the end was ace. Could quite happily watch it again right now.
     
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  16. krtek a houby

    krtek a houby how's it going to end?

    I imagine different force sensitive (or whatever the terminology is) folk have varying degrees of power and ability to pick it up.

    Rey is more powerful because... she just is. Just like Anakin was one of the most powerful. Until now, perhaps.
     
  17. Santino

    Santino lovelier than lovely

    Rey has an exceptionally high midichlorian count.
     
  18. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    She stinks like a swimming pool
     
  19. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    Your life must be very satisfying if you just accept and enjoy everything for what it is, despite anything that might be considered flawed or just plain shit.

    I suppose if you can forgive Jar Jar Binks then you can swallow pretty much anything.
     
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  20. SpookyFrank

    SpookyFrank We kill the flame

    This is probably supposed to be sarcasm but everything you've said here is true.
     
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  21. N_igma

    N_igma Epistemic nuisance

    Yeh that was clearly put in by the writers who were just too lazy to explain why she has that ability. Which would be all well and good if she didn’t actually go to Luke to do her training so what was that all about? The only way she could have that ability is if she turned out to be Kylo’s twin sister which would make some sort of sense but no she isn’t according to Kylo. If they backtrack and it turns out in the next film that she is his twin then that’s just a kick in the face for everyone why the need to lie?

    Then there’s the child slave at the end who uses the force to lift a broom? Is he a Jedi? How come he can use the force? You can’t just spend 7 films bigging up the force then turn around and say anyone can actually use it when they can’t. I think it’s a fair complaint in all honesty and needs to be explained in the next episode.
     
  22. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    Episode IX: Rise of the Stablehands
     
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  23. S☼I

    S☼I You in a bad mood Harry?

    I feared for a second he was going to make the brush sweep the floor for him in a badly judged nod to Fantasia.
     
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  24. Lord Camomile

    Lord Camomile Lemonade socialist

    "Raw strength", as in, untrained.

    And Luke didn't really see his own raw strength, did he?

    Aaaaaaaaaaand, Ben Solo was trained. Rey meets him after his training, before any of her own.
     
  25. 5t3IIa

    5t3IIa Registered User

    Jfc I completely missed that. Did he??
     
  26. S☼I

    S☼I You in a bad mood Harry?

    Yes. Was quite quick. He held his hand out about a foot from the broom and it went into his hand. Very casual.
     
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  27. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    The film was good fun, and had both pros and cons, most of which have been covered here. But the one thing I'm going to be really grumpy about is the length of it plus the flabbiness of the plot. It's a silly/fun fantastical space adventure - there's no need to complicate these things and there's certainly no need to drag it out to two and half hours. Even commercially it seems odd - that extra half hour must have cost $20m plus to film, and everyone would have paid the same money to see a 2h film. It annoys me because it's such a trend with lightweight Hollywood films at the moment. It was the main problem with the Bladerunner sequel, but even superhero or Harry Potter films ffs are being dragged way past the two hour mark. I think when people watch Hollywood stuff from this era in thirty years time they will remark on the incredibly poor discipline in writing them and wonder why anyone thought a piece of fluff needed subplots and two and a half hours plus.

    ETA: And it annoys me because it makes them worse films. I think they could be much more entertaining with a tight plot that took less than two hours. More is not better.
     
  28. Nanker Phelge

    Nanker Phelge Monkey Boy

    ....and poor old Admiral Ackbar....

    You have to shed a coupla drops dontcha....
     
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  29. S☼I

    S☼I You in a bad mood Harry?

    No heroic demise for yon Calamari :(
     
  30. 8ball

    8ball Considerably more oppressed than yow

    Luke was too old to start the training and learned implausibly quickly too.

    A bit too long, but I loved it.
    Was just reading about how some of the fanbase was up in arms about the plot, which is a nice touch considering the themes in the film.
     
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