The Last Jedi : BEWARE SPOILERS YOU SHOULD

[scifisam]

Oh, and if you want to talk Empire - blatant Hoth analogues in the final seige. They even had to have someone say "oh, it's salt" as if to ram home "it's not snow, it's not Hoth, we're not on Hoth!!".

Or it was because it looked like bloody footsteps so the soldiers and the viewers would have wondered what was going on. It was one of the ways the film showed some of the practical trivialities of the First Order - like the ironing robots, which got a big laugh in the cinema I was in. Plus it explained why Kylo didn't slip and slide around and drew attention to the fact that Luke didn't leave the same footprints (I'd have to watch again to see if he left any at all).

But no, the negative explanation is the only possible one. Obviously having mentioned the name of the planet numerous times they were making the name clear again, that's all.

 

[Indeliblelink]

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If you can destroy a ship by flying something at light-speed through it then could we just have programmed some pilot-less X-wings to fly at the death star(s). Might not of destroyed it but would caused more damage than shooting lazers at it.

 

[chilango]

...and the visually arresting red dust trails. They were cool.

 

[strung out]

You'd think that if flying something at light-speed directly at a fleet of ships would take most of it out, they'd have tried it with one of the two other ships that got destroyed before the flagship.

 

[Lord Camomile]

If you can destroy a ship by flying something at light-speed through it then could we just have programmed some pilot-less X-wings to fly at the death star(s). Might not of destroyed it but would caused more damage than shooting lazers at it.

Thaaaaaaat is a fair point that I didn't think of. I thought that bit was pretty cool

But no, the negative explanation is the only possible one. Obviously having mentioned the name of the planet numerous times they were making the name clear again, that's all.

Glad we agree

 

[Indeliblelink]

Where does Snoke buy his dressing gowns from? I want to get one for my dad for Christmas.View attachment 123039

 

[ruffneck23]

Fuck me, I knew I shouldn't have clicked on this thread having enjoyed the movie. I knew it - people on Urban only go to movies in order to moan about them - and I still forgot. Doh.

I think that's a bit unfair, cant you enjoy a movie and still pick out bits you didnt like ? it was a good movie but it did have its flaws

 

[scifisam]

I think that's a bit unfair, cant you enjoy a movie and still pick out bits you didnt like ? it was a good movie but it did have its flaws

EVERY post here has been negative. Every. Single. One. Every opportunity to claim something was bad is seized upon even though (like the salt and sand thing) it's actually pretty cool. And bizarrely putting it on ignore isn't working - it keeps showing up anyway. I am out of here though because for me so much negativity is sucking the joy out of my experience with a film I really enjoyed

 

[chilango]

EVERY post here has been negative. Every. Single. One. Every opportunity to claim something was bad is seized upon even though (like the salt and sand thing) it's actually pretty cool. And bizarrely putting it on ignore isn't working - it keeps showing up anyway. I am out of here though because for me so much negativity is sucking the joy out of my experience with a film I really enjoyed

First thoughts.

I really enjoyed it.

Particularly

Spoiler: The Nihilistic streak

Kylo’s desire to kill the past. That Rey’s parents were nobodies (though I’m suspicious about this). Del Toro’s character was ace (hopefully he’ll reappear st some point) and the arms dealers arming both sides. Luke chucking the light sabre wordlessly off the cliff and the whole end the Jedi religion vibe. The pointlessness and seeming dead ends of some of the action.

Spoiler: Kylo/Ben

Surprisingly good. There was a moment where he cast a glance at Hux for repeating his orders. Class.

Spoiler: Luke’s Island

well realised. The milk scene

Rose Tico was cool.

I like the ending.


But...

Spoiler: Kylo & Rey

The whole Kylo/Rey psychic connection was really really annoying and Snope’s claim if responsibility for this felt inadequate. I still fear for a brother/sister reprise here.

Spoiler: Yoda

Why?

Spoiler: Leia

Flying thru Space? Stupid.

...and the Porg were mercifully peripheral.

...and the visually arresting red dust trails. They were cool.

My posts were positive, no?

 

[ruffneck23]

EVERY post here has been negative. Every. Single. One. Every opportunity to claim something was bad is seized upon even though (like the salt and sand thing) it's actually pretty cool. And bizarrely putting it on ignore isn't working - it keeps showing up anyway. I am out of here though because for me so much negativity is sucking the joy out of my experience with a film I really enjoyed

Wow , did you not see my good, ok and bad points ? Ive just had a chat with my cousin who is the same age ( 46 , we saw a new hope aged 6 together and have been full on fans since) , he loved it, but also listened to my criticism without flouncing off

 

[scifisam]

My posts were positive, no?

Some of it was, yeah. It's not that I want everyone to be really happy about the film, but there's no way you can have a discussion about, say, whether Kylo was telling the truth about Rey's parents, when the thread has basically gone to the dark side. There won't be anything fun or interesting in that conversation, just sniping. Most Urban film threads are like that and I new that, so I can only blame myself.

 

[scifisam]

Wow , did you not see my good, ok and bad points ? Ive just had a chat with my cousin who is the same age ( 46 , we saw a new hope aged 6 together and have been full on fans since) , he loved it, but also listened to my criticism without flouncing off

More bad points than good, though, right? Even the one other person who said they preferred to TFA then spent more time talking about the bad points. Do you not see how that can be a little bit of a dampener?

Anyway, all please stop quoting me and then maybe the damned thread'll stop showing up on my feed

 

[mojo pixy]

BEWARE SPOILERS YOU SHOULD

*Subscribes*

 

[ruffneck23]

More bad points than good, though, right? Even the one other person who said they preferred to TFA then spent more time talking about the bad points. Do you not see how that can be a little bit of a dampener?

Anyway, all please stop quoting me and then maybe the damned thread'll stop showing up on my feed

i thought you were leaving the thread ?

 

[SpookyFrank]

I thought it was fucking superb. A couple of bum notes in the script but the whole thing felt like it had a point to it, which is worth enduring a few plot holes for. Daisy Ridey much improved acting-wise, Fisher and Hamill both better than they were in the original trilogy for my money.

Killing off Snoke in act two of the second movie stops the whole thing becoming a retread of the old trilogy, and while there were riffs on bits of the other movies nothing was simply rehashed like pretty much the entire second half of Force Awakens was.

I don't give a shit if Captain Phasma was a bit pointless, the baddies' chief henchman is not supposed to be a key part of the movie.

I'm glad the sad bastards who did all those youtube videos about Snoke's identity and Rey's family have been basically left with nothing. These are supposedly the biggest Star Wars fans around and yet they've completely missed the point of what Star Wars is, ie a daft fantasy yarn that's fun and exciting to watch. This movie had me in genuine suspense for a lot of the time even though I could pretty much guess a lot of what was going to happen, and that's no mean trick. Force Awakens didn't do that, Rogue One didn't do that.

Yeah anyway, it was great and you're all wrong.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I even detected some nods to Kurt Vonnegut in the script, and I never thought I'd say that about a Star Wars movie.

 

[ruffneck23]

I dont think anyone here has said it was a bad film, just some including myself, have some issue. AlthoughIi think to be honest I'd over-hyped myself for it

 

[SpookyFrank]

I dont think anyone here has said it was a bad film, just some including myself, have some issue. AlthoughIi think to be honest I'd over-hyped myself for it

I went into this expecting it to be a bit shonky in places. It was much less shonky than I thought it would be and, to my great surprise, had actual coherent themes and proper character arcs and stuff in it to boot. That could all have been fucked off in favour of plot twists or 'surprise' revelations but it wasn't, Johnson decided to make a proper movie instead.

 

[SpookyFrank]

JJ is back for the next one so expect Return of the Jedi With Different People In It.

 

[mwgdrwg]

About as good as TFA I thought, very enjoyable, I just switched off and went with the ride. Great action and quite a few laughs, the biggest one from me was for Luke

Spoiler

brushing dirt off his shoulder

I went to watch it with my 11 year old boy, who thought it was "THE BEST FILM EVER MADE!!!". A hit with the target demographic then.

 

[Beats & Pieces]

I have to say that, after some reflection, there is great deal about the film that I dislike hugely - to the extent that on more than one occasion during the viewing I found myself acknowledging the generational and money driven impetus behind the film (or franchise) - especially given the last few minutes that could be 'read' in a highly cynical way - and the fact that there might be a time to leave 'the Star Wars ride'. I'm booked again to see it on Monday so I will wait before reaching a final view.

In terms of acting - there is some very clunky dialogue (even for Star Wars) - much of which is delivered by Ridley who remains - to my mind - desperately miscast. There are lines delivered in which you can almost imagine an out of shot member of the production staff holding cards with dialogue on. In some places I found it *that* bad. I think this ought to be remembered during the discussions of Mark Hamill's performance.

The score isn't fantastic, there is very little new material of interest or impact, but if you think of SW soundtracks as 'motif' driven there are some nice musical moments that bring together themes from the prequels and the orignal trilogy. In this regard the film is clearly attempting to create a greater synthesis between the film soundscapes and it is here that it works.

Possibly the most beautiful shot of the film does not, significantly, feature any music.

One thing it did do is shift the perception of the prequels, and the continuity of artistic and narrative vision that George Lucas was able to maintain. Lucas has been the subject of criticism ever since the prequels, but he may well have been right all along.

It also leads to a greater appreciation of 'Rogue One' and 'The Force Awakens'.

Let us hope that 'Solo' works well. But Disney clearly like the vision and presentation of 'The Last Jedi' by Rian Johnson and at the moment, that worries me greatly.

*Still processing*

 

[strung out]

It was great seeing Carrie Fisher's daughter in it

 

[Gromit]

I went tonight expecting to see a new Star Wars film.

What I got was basically Empire Strikes Back with some New Hope and RoTJ thrown in for good measure.

They tried to disguise it in places by adding new elements but I don't feel I've seen new film. No new ideas just twists on old ones.

If I hadn't seen Star Wars the first time around this would be a great film. A fantastic spectacle. But I have so it wasn't.

I'm pretty much underwhelmed.

I know it's a middle chapter like Empire was but Empire managed to rip the guts out of the audience leaving them salavating for the next instalment.
This is more a "This page is intentionally left blank" page of a book.

I'll watch the next one but I'm not in any way desperate to see how they'll conclude this trilogy.

 

[Shippou-Sensei]

Luke

Spoiler

brushing dirt off his shoulder

 

[SpookyFrank]

No new ideas just twists on old ones.

 

[Wilf]

I went tonight expecting to see a new Star Wars film.

What I got was basically Empire Strikes Back with some New Hope and RoTJ thrown in for good measure.

They tried to disguise it in places by adding new elements but I don't feel I've seen new film. No new ideas just twists on old ones.

If I hadn't seen Star Wars the first time around this would be a great film. A fantastic spectacle. But I have so it wasn't.

I'm pretty much underwhelmed.

I know it's a middle chapter like Empire was but Empire managed to rip the guts out of the audience leaving them salavating for the next instalment.
This is more a "This page is intentionally left blank" page of a book.

I'll watch the next one but I'm not in any way desperate to see how they'll conclude this trilogy.

Yes, all that really. On the other thread I was alluding to 'plot issues' and it was the above - including the inversion of the evil father producing saintly offspring from the earlier films. I did enjoy it and will also watch the next one, but I like to get lost in a film. All those clunky plot re-runs break through that and remind you there was a group of people sat in a conference room making plot 'decisions'.

 

[5t3IIa]

Banned poster uses current poster as a conduit to post his view thusly:


I really wanted to enjoy this movie, and I convinced myself that I had until the reality set in. What a disappointment. A spit in the face to Star Wars fans. I'm now convinced that anyone who likes this movie is either still in shock or a Disney shill.

The bad:
Luke Skywalker dies
Leia space Poppins
Captain Phasma - she's back! For one whole scene!
Social commentary. I know hurting animals and selling weapons is bad, I don't need star wars to tell me.
Luke Skywalker dies
Del Toro - wasted chance
Luke was considering killing his own apprentice? Luke Skywalker? Fuck off!
The whole Finn and Rose subplot.
Admiral Ackbar dies
Snoke doesn't do anything and dies
Luke Skywalker dies
That ending. Dear God.
Porgs. In fact, all the creatures on that island
No lightsaber duel
Too many jokes
No questions from TFA were answered.
Luke Skywalker dies

The Good:
Hamill and Fisher gave really good performances


Maybe I've been a tad unfair, and tbh I didn't rate TFA after the first viewing but it grew on me. Maybe this will, but I'm not in a rush to watch it again. Not for a couple of weeks.

Bring back George Lucas!

 

[ruffneck23]

I completely agree with you except I liked the porgs

 

[SpookyFrank]

I'm now starting to understand why people didn't like this. It's because they're stupid and they weren't paying attention.

 

[Wilf]

Banned poster uses current poster as a conduit to post his view thusly:


I really wanted to enjoy this movie, and I convinced myself that I had until the reality set in. What a disappointment. A spit in the face to Star Wars fans. I'm now convinced that anyone who likes this movie is either still in shock or a Disney shill.

The bad:
Luke Skywalker dies
Leia space Poppins
Captain Phasma - she's back! For one whole scene!
Social commentary. I know hurting animals and selling weapons is bad, I don't need star wars to tell me.
Luke Skywalker dies
Del Toro - wasted chance
Luke was considering killing his own apprentice? Luke Skywalker? Fuck off!
The whole Finn and Rose subplot.
Admiral Ackbar dies
Snoke doesn't do anything and dies
Luke Skywalker dies
That ending. Dear God.
Porgs. In fact, all the creatures on that island
No lightsaber duel
Too many jokes
No questions from TFA were answered.
Luke Skywalker dies

The Good:
Hamill and Fisher gave really good performances


Maybe I've been a tad unfair, and tbh I didn't rate TFA after the first viewing but it grew on me. Maybe this will, but I'm not in a rush to watch it again. Not for a couple of weeks.

Bring back George Lucas!

Shows how wrecked and asleep I was by 2.30 a.m., but I'd forgotten that Luke S had died. Or has he? At the very least he's going to appear as a ghostly yoda style apparition on some godforsaken planet when whatever she's called is having a dark teatime of the soul.