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The K Foundation burns a million pounds

Loupylou said:
I know you're taking the piss, but who the fuck are they to select an artist and decide she's crap then force her to 'accpet' an award cos they want to make a point, but they don't even know what the point is ?
YAWN

they did know what the point was - interrogating the relationship between art, money and value

Loupylou said:
i've got respect for anyone who uses a house as a mold for concrete !

yeh, that's fine. But what's she done since?

more fucking boxes. :p
 
Loupylou said:
I know you're taking the piss, but who the fuck are they to select an artist and decide she's crap then force her to 'accpet' an award cos they want to make a point, but they don't even know what the point is ?
YAWN

i've got respect for anyone who uses a house as a mold for concrete !

They didn't decide she was crap. They ran a democractic poll.

Anyway, for 40K anyone can call me crap.
 
Were you there, like?

It was on a Hebridean island (Jura, in fact, where George Orwell wrote 1984 in a house that still doesn't have electricity). Not even in a glass box over the Thames. David Blaine must have sniggered that anyone bought that one.
 
so the fact it happened out of sight (well, apart from the camera) proved it didn't happen? :D

do you know WHY they went to Jura? it wasn't a random choice, you know..
 
it was a favourite place of Drummond's, he used to go there a lot, and they'd staged other events there, including the Wicker Man thing. They didn't choose it so they could fool anyone.

anyway, fuck it - no point in arguing. You think what you think, I know what I know :p
 
bluestreak said:
They didn't decide she was crap. They ran a democractic poll.

Anyway, for 40K anyone can call me crap.

do you beleive everything those people say?! Who answered this poll?
KLF don't give a fuck about the 'democracy' of it, they wanted someone to pillory.
they say 'she was voted the worst arstist in Britain'. No she wasn't - she was voted by those people to be the worst of the artists in the Turner Prixe i.e the idea is to choose someone from a list who you think is the worst. So only the people who think the Turner Prize is crap will answer it.
So they are going to come up with a name somehow for their stunt.

democratic principles can be subverted easily - look at Lambeth's ALMO ballot where they don't count the 'don't knows'.

You must be cheap ( :D )

Seriously tho' - she didn't want the money and gave it away to charities w- which was good of her. But that wasn't straight forward as she explains in the article I posted above cos of how she was given it etc.
 
I burnt a fiver in one of my favourite places: the Hermitage at Dunkeld. It's lovely there. Took a photo on my mobile.
 
danny la rouge said:
David Blaine must have sniggered that anyone bought that one.

Yeah but unlike David Blaine they both had a genuine air of lunancy about them which added credence to their claims.
 
Dubversion said:
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do you know WHY they went to Jura? it wasn't a random choice, you know..

That's where the money trees grow. It's only the cost of transporting a pound to the smoke that gives it any worth. A note in Jura is barely worth the effort to pick it. Until you can pass it off to some English towny it ain't worth the paper it's written on.
 
Loupylou said:
do you beleive everything those people say?! Who answered this poll?
KLF don't give a fuck about the 'democracy' of it, they wanted someone to pillory.
they say 'she was voted the worst arstist in Britain'. No she wasn't - she was voted by those people to be the worst of the artists in the Turner Prixe i.e the idea is to choose someone from a list who you think is the worst. So only the people who think the Turner Prize is crap will answer it.
So they are going to come up with a name somehow for their stunt.

democratic principles can be subverted easily - look at Lambeth's ALMO ballot where they don't count the 'don't knows'.

You must be cheap ( :D )

Seriously tho' - she didn't want the money and gave it away to charities w- which was good of her. But that wasn't straight forward as she explains in the article I posted above cos of how she was given it etc.

i think you're taking it a little bit seriously. It was a prank, for god's sake - a prank with a smidgin of serious intent, but still a prank
 
Divisive Cotton said:
Yeah but unlike David Blaine they both had a genuine air of lunancy about them which added credence to their claims.
Yes, and they did some nice tunes. But they didn't burn a million quid. They just didn't.
 
danny la rouge said:
Yes, and they did some nice tunes. But they didn't burn a million quid. They just didn't.


what is this, cognitive dissonance run riot or something?

whether or not you accept that i know they did it, you have to admit you don't KNOW they didn't.
 
Loupylou said:
I thought it was interesting what Rachel Whitbred said about winning the KLF Turner Prize Award of £40,000, how it caused her quite a bit of grief, but she gave it away to charity.
She says she didn't want to accept it but had to else she'd be held responsible for them burning it.
something about that emotional blackmail and public humiliation to someone who in no way deserved it makes me queasy.

http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/visualart/story/0,,2164382,00.html
Scroll down to Rachel Whitbred

Well if you can't take the heat, don't go into the kitchen.

Her events were very public (remember the house in Hackney?), and so if somebody publicly responds, so be it.
 
Loupylou said:
do you beleive everything those people say?! Who answered this poll?
KLF don't give a fuck about the 'democracy' of it, they wanted someone to pillory.
they say 'she was voted the worst arstist in Britain'. No she wasn't - she was voted by those people to be the worst of the artists in the Turner Prixe i.e the idea is to choose someone from a list who you think is the worst. So only the people who think the Turner Prize is crap will answer it.
So they are going to come up with a name somehow for their stunt.

democratic principles can be subverted easily - look at Lambeth's ALMO ballot where they don't count the 'don't knows'.

You must be cheap ( :D )

Seriously tho' - she didn't want the money and gave it away to charities w- which was good of her. But that wasn't straight forward as she explains in the article I posted above cos of how she was given it etc.

Oh noes. Democracy has failed.

How much would it cost a couple of musicians to take the gentle piss out of you for an evening? I reckon 40K is a deal, but I assume you're a little highly strung, or very well off.
 
Dubversion said:
i think you're taking it a little bit seriously. It was a prank, for god's sake - a prank with a smidgin of serious intent, but still a prank

Yeah but it involved humiliating a harmless woman in front of the whole country.
Like a lot bullying then people can say 'but it was a joke'.

there's plenty of other things they could have done to prove nothing whatsoever and get attention for themselves, esp with the Turner Prize, but they did this. And I don't like this aspect to it.
They could have even picked on someone who deserved it.
 
Is the music industry any less financially hypocritical than the art industry? Where are the financial values coming from?

Am I missing something? (Again) :confused:
 
bluestreak said:
How much would it cost a couple of musicians to take the gentle piss out of you for an evening? I reckon 40K is a deal, but I assume you're a little highly strung, or very well off.

I don't think anyone would take the piss out of me for very long (not to my face anyway), esp musicians !

Nah, I can't be bought. Not my style :)
 
Divisive Cotton said:
Well if you can't take the heat, don't go into the kitchen.

Her events were very public (remember the house in Hackney?), and so if somebody publicly responds, so be it.

Art is usually meant for others to see, and respond to.

The house was what won her the Turner Prize - I thought it was magnificent.
I don't think for one second she thought that her artwork would end up with her getting a phone call telling her if she doesn't come into the public to be ridiculed for being 'the worst artist in Britain', then £40 K will be burnt.

I just think that's nasty.
 
bluestreak said:
I'm sure the 40K more than made up for it.

they should have given it to me for being the worst arstist in Britain as that is actually true.....

But she didn't keep the £ - she gave it to charities.
 
Stanley Edwards said:
Is the music industry any less financially hypocritical than the art industry? Where are the financial values coming from?

Am I missing something? (Again) :confused:

jesus wept.

yes :D
 
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