the jews
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Gmart
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In Bloom said:The philosophical stuff is mostly common sense put in a really flowery way, and the metaphysical stuff is unevidenced nonsense. But then, it's old and oriental, plus it's got loads of stuff about energy and ki and all that other bollocks, so it must be a path to wisdom and enlightenment
It's first statement is that words cannot possibly describe it, thus rendering all its statements as inaccurate.
Seems fair enough to me, though you can rolley eyes to your heart's content about it.
sorry Gmarthews, couldn't resist that one... yeah, I like the writings of Lieh Tzu and co... I oughta try an' remember some of it more when coming onto the messageboards Wise men don't need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren't wise.
(verse 81, Tao Te Ching)
not that I am saying I am wise, but if I don't say anything, maybe I can create the illusion of wisdom... ahhhh! *bows silently*
where's that from, "theology made easy" by Roy 'Chubby' Brown?!
max_freakout
Nothing matters
revol68 said:
men who need to resort to shouty swearing in order to prove their point aren't wise
perhaps?
david dissadent
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Have you ever heard of something called argumentum ad hominem.revol68 said:
david dissadent
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You seem to expend a great deal of energy attacking the people who follow the philosophy and not really engaging in what you feel are the philosophies week points. It smacks strongly of going for the man not the ball.
To be fair, it is the modus operandi of discussion round here rather than something you are in anyway expecialy guilty of.
revol68
what, fucking what?
david dissadent said:
Put don't you see my ad homien attack is actually a critique far more subversive that has a rational kernal.
Wise men don't need to prove their point;
men who need to prove their point aren't wise.
(verse 81, Tao Te Ching)
If I was to try and prove my point I would be unwise, therefore by making an argument that does not prove it, I am myself wise and therefore highlighting the absurdity of such pseudo philosophy.
Of course now I have "justified" or attempted to "prove" my point, I am unwise, and therefore I will end by saying Tao sucked ox cock, which doesn't really short circuit this infinite regression but rather pushes it back one layer.
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
Well, it was the basis for some pretty good psalms. And much of the best reggae.inflatable jesus said:
I'm very well, thanks. The fish guy is dead, I'm afraid. How're you?
revol68, you have managed to alienate believers and non-believers both in this thread. You are like a bull in a rage, determined to spear someone on the horns of your ire. What is the cause of your unrest?
is there anyone you don't think is an idiot? that's a genuine question, not a 'dig' at you...revol68 said:Idiots.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
money lending is almost certianly one ascept the conecpt of people having more than you or not having a real job yet earning more than your hard(manual) labour. so in essence, envy, grass is always greener.
The prevailence of xtain dogma would be another.
the fact that the intigration either through racial prejudice or religous lines meant that jews were nomadic, and up until recently the concept of trusting strangers wasn't the norm. It's easier to blame outsiders than look at the internal problems of your own community.
for religious reasons or for purely commonality of culture jewish groups tend to stick together again this reinforces the above distrust, as it becomes fear of the unknown; why are they so secretive? what's so good about their culture that means they reject ours? etc.
scapegoatism for the above reasons.
Cultural dominence nearly all other cultures have always been more powerful and therefore jews have had to live inside of that culture rather than their own leaving them with little leverage or bargining power.
being misunderstood.
literal translations of being the choosen people rather than it being choose as the people of moses, leading to an assumption of cultural superiority or suspected cultural superiority.
being rootless , stateless and social outcasts, leading to a sterotype of expected behaviour.
some more i've prolly missed...
The prevailence of xtain dogma would be another.
the fact that the intigration either through racial prejudice or religous lines meant that jews were nomadic, and up until recently the concept of trusting strangers wasn't the norm. It's easier to blame outsiders than look at the internal problems of your own community.
for religious reasons or for purely commonality of culture jewish groups tend to stick together again this reinforces the above distrust, as it becomes fear of the unknown; why are they so secretive? what's so good about their culture that means they reject ours? etc.
scapegoatism for the above reasons.
Cultural dominence nearly all other cultures have always been more powerful and therefore jews have had to live inside of that culture rather than their own leaving them with little leverage or bargining power.
being misunderstood.
literal translations of being the choosen people rather than it being choose as the people of moses, leading to an assumption of cultural superiority or suspected cultural superiority.
being rootless , stateless and social outcasts, leading to a sterotype of expected behaviour.
some more i've prolly missed...
gnoriac
lowly seer
GarfieldLeChat said:
On this thread, apart from your post and my own, I don't think they're even remotely interested in the original subject matter any more.
An additional bit I picked up from today's paper - blaming the Jews for Christ's execution apparently comes from St. Augustine of Hippo though "Augustine ruled that Jews should not be subject to physical violence or forced to turn Christian".
Of course the Jews got blamed for Christ's execution rather than the Romans who actually did it, clue is in the term 'Roman Catholic Church'. Rather like blaming the Iraqis for all the shit that's going down in Iraq.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
true i think that this was an obvious case of using the 'reason' of they killed the messiah to exhibite some of the worse secterian murders in history...gnoriac said:On this thread, apart from your post and my own, I don't think they're even remotely interested in the original subject matter any more.
An additional bit I picked up from today's paper - blaming the Jews for Christ's execution apparently comes from St. Augustine of Hippo though "Augustine ruled that Jews should not be subject to physical violence or forced to turn Christian".
Of course the Jews got blamed for Christ's execution rather than the Romans who actually did it, clue is in the term 'Roman Catholic Church'. Rather like blaming the Iraqis for all the shit that's going down in Iraq.
well until the misrepresentation of the they might have WMD of course...
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
gnoriac said:
hmm, dont think that can just be put down to jealousy tbh .
the catholic church and the medieval monarchies were really keen to stop people from learning to read or have any form of knowledge that wasn't officially sanctioned .
although obviously anti-semitism has many other causes, that's also why witches were persecuted, coz they were traditional healers who didn't conform to what the church wanted them to do
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
that and one mans quest to subjigate all women to his will...frogwoman said:
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
yehJohnny Canuck2 said:
the fact is that everyone had a terrible time unless they were part of the ruling elite (and even then things were pretty risky), witches were a threat to that as they went against the traditional church teachings and believed in something which the church viewed as a threat and wanted to stamp out.
It was never just about us, but about the control of the population in general.
the jews were made to live in as miserable a way as possible, so that they would eventually not be able to bear living in that way, and convert to christianity...but it would also serve as a warning to everyone else - this is what we can do to you if you don't listen to us, we can make you live like shit and totally break you.
people often tend to view the treatment of the jews separately from the way women were viewed and the way the majority of the population was forced to live but actually all this stuff was happening at the same time and so it has to viewed in the same context .
we were different,we looked different, didnt take part in church activities (obviously), and after the diaspora we were a minority anyway and were always going to be viewed with suspicion ... we were in a tricky situation before anyone started formally persecuting us.
very few people knew what had happened to make the situation the way it was, with jewish moneylenders and that, they just assumed it was because the jews didn't like to work and wanted to ruin people, because that was what everyone else said, and it was in the interests of the people in power to keep it that way .
and over time because we'd always been persecuted we were viewed with suspicion anyway, as a stereotype had formed...its a similar thing going on with the roma now.
however there were lots of people who tried to stop persecutions and stuff, right up to the highest levels of the church and the government. this stuff wasn't going on all the time, it certainly wasn't unchallenged and many people bravely helped the jewish people, it cost them their lives in many cases. its also worth remembering that jews were largely left alone in the muslim world and in India and China .
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
not initally in the uk at least ... one man appoint himself witch finder general and then set about finding witches....frogwoman said:i think it was more than one man ...
Johnny Canuck3
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frogwoman said:
Yep.
I think there was less persecution in India, China etc, because the religions there didn't have jews all tied up in their mythology, ie. killing Christ.
frogwoman said:Geuninely sorry to hear this mate .
i hate stories like this
it;s the same as 'oh some arab guy felt my bum;
or, a bunch of 'black kids mugged me'
bollocks
i have been assaulted a few times, and treated like shit countless times almost always by 'some white cunts' but noone ever says 'some white bloke just punched me, or 'thos white guys were really snooty
but if you are a different race it's differeny
Macabre
digiratti
Ninjaboy said:
I agree but I think its more to do with giving people a visual description that they can easily imagine when you're describing the incident. Saying 'some white bloke' hardly narrows down the stereoptype of who you're describing given that they are a clear majority, using 'chav', 'toff', 'middleclass', etc does in the same way that identifying an ethic minority does. Its just that idiots tar everyone with the same brush.
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