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chainsaw cat
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Ninjaboy said:
It's cos their womenfolk are so damn' sexy and everyone else is jealous.
frogwoman
Let them eat newts
but yeah, erm perseuction and stuff
its coz we're freaks basically, thas all you need to know
jews, gays, trannies, people who make their own clothes or wear tea coies on their heads and other assorted weirdos always tend to be on the recieving end of something
so there ya go basically, we're different so we get crap dished out on a regular basis ... and for much of history we were the only minority group around, apart from gay people, but much of them tended to stay in the closet for obvious reasons
its coz we're freaks basically, thas all you need to know
jews, gays, trannies, people who make their own clothes or wear tea coies on their heads and other assorted weirdos always tend to be on the recieving end of something
so there ya go basically, we're different so we get crap dished out on a regular basis ... and for much of history we were the only minority group around, apart from gay people, but much of them tended to stay in the closet for obvious reasons
anybody, I genuinely have no idea what point you are trying to make by posting a corruption of my username in the middle of your post.anybodygotapen? said:
revol, I am aware I may be putting myself in the firing line by commenting on your post, but it is my opinion that ninjaboy is genuinely interested in this discussion, if somewhat naive about the reasons why the Jews have been scapegoated throughout history. hmmm... I understand your point though. tricky one.
is ninjaboy genuinely interested, or just trying to start a fire? I just don't know, but he seems genuine. I don't feel that accusing someone of being a 'fucking dickhead' is going to help a discussion... but like you, I do have a feeling of discomfort about the question... what do you think, ninjaboy? it's your call...
danny la rouge
Ninja swords for all disabled people
killing Jesus
But not the pre-New Testament strife, like Babylon and Egypt.Jonti said:
Jonti
what the dormouse said
That's legend, not history, I think you'll find.
Here's a half-hour video from Penn and Teller on The Bible
Here's a half-hour video from Penn and Teller on The Bible
snouty warthog said:
i knew it was an uncomfortable question, especially since israel is on the news right now, i didn't ask it to cause trouble tho, i think it's an interesting debate and there have been some excellent posts about it
I see the problem as different to the oppression of other races, african adn middle eastern people being oppresssed seems to me like fairly straightforward abuse of power/capitalism, north african and middle eastern states colonised a lot of southern europe in history, then as european states became more powerful europeans did the same on a bigger scale, just a case of imperialism, whereas the jews have this whole mythology running right from the bible up to present day
A Dashing Blade
Takes horses to water but can't make donkeys drink
Shippou-Chan said:
er, Romans actually
*Miss Daisy*
Suck a Big Hairy....
I really dislike Religion !!!!
*Miss Daisy*
Suck a Big Hairy....
Ninjaboy said:
I just dont like any religion,, apart from buddism maybe,,,,all the rest seem to want to control everyone,, and kill the ones who dont subscribe to their faith,,
Obviously i'm taking about the big picture and not individual peeps,,
most of the wars are coz of religion,,IMO
Sorry ninj,,I just wanted to voice that,,
*Miss Daisy* said:
all the rest seem to want to control everyone,, and kill the ones who dont subscribe to their faith,,
Obviously i'm taking about the big picture and not individual peeps,,
most of the wars are coz of religion,,IMO
Sorry ninj,,I just wanted to voice that,,
buddhism has it;s fucked up side as well, living in tibet when it was a fundie country can't have been pleasant
i agree to a point, but hating religion is like hating sex, its just a fact of life which can be unpleasant, but there is no escape from it
had a better reply but i'lll do it when i'm sober
david dissadent
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Sri LankaNinjaboy said:
inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
danny la rouge said:
Does that really count?
Wasn't the Babylon thing just another part of the ongoing conquest and empire building by the bigger civilizations in the region? I'm sure the war, exile and destruction of the first temple weren't very nice, but was it really any worse than the wars that Israel fought against it's neighbours? Or the persucution of the Ba'al and Ashtoreth worshippers mentioned in the bible?
Also, I was under the impression that the slavery in Egypt period (if it happenned at all) was more likely to be along the same lines as the slavery that existed in Israel. I remember reading somewhere or other that it was common for the people in that region to try to find refuge in Egypt in times of famine, so it doesn't seem that unlikely that the Egyptians were doing them a bit of a favour by letting them be slaves there.
How are you doing btw DLR? And what happenned to the fish guy?
Gmart
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*Miss Daisy* said:
There are so many different religions, and most people dismiss them all. Yes Buddhism seems fine to a point, but others are ok too. What about Taoism?
Still it's easier to presume that all religion has a form of oppression i know.
Johnny Canuck3
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frogwoman said:and for much of history we were the only minority group around, apart from gay people, but much of them tended to stay in the closet for obvious reasons
Hey: don't forget witches.
revol68
what, fucking what?
*Miss Daisy* said:
all the rest seem to want to control everyone,, and kill the ones who dont subscribe to their faith,,
Obviously i'm taking about the big picture and not individual peeps,,
most of the wars are coz of religion,,IMO
Sorry ninj,,I just wanted to voice that,,
what are you? a fucking retard?
aye, cos it'snot like that bullshit budhism has never serving ruling class ideology.
fuck off and do some yoga instead of inflicting your brain farts on us.
inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
I'm sure you could have made that same rough point without being a dick about it.
revol68
what, fucking what?
inflatable jesus said:
not win i'm pished off my tree and fed up with simpletons proclaiming knowledge of the ontology of all wars.
dear fucking chris, if i had a pound for every time some dipshit said "religion is the cause of most wars" i'd be richer than tory rent boy.
Aye, you simple fucks, people rush to war for matters of theology, cos they disagree about the amount of angels that can fit on a pin head.
or maybe, just maybe religion is an ideological reflection of conflict at a much more material level.
Anyway i would have been nice only she let buddhism off the hook, and it's a real crock of shit bought into by middle class westerner's who have neither the honesty or wit to examine it's own wee nasty relationship to state power and war.
inflatable jesus
I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders
The thing is I agree with you (mostly).
But I still think it's not really fair to dump all that on her with those personal insults thrown in.
But I still think it's not really fair to dump all that on her with those personal insults thrown in.
Johnny Canuck3
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revol68 said:
No, theology wars are the same as other wars: they're about our masters vying for power and position.
*Miss Daisy*
Suck a Big Hairy....
revol68 said:
Who the fuck do you think you are???? Dont call me a fucking retard for expressing my opinions,,
like usual, people jump on one word(buddism) in my post and jump in,,, I mentioned buddism,, tbh i dont know much about it, but some of its bits seem to make sense,,,
I am NOT religious,, and IMO being dependent on a religion to lead their life and to make choices and think for them is fine, just dont go blowing up the countries that dont believe in said religion,,,and dont try and force it on other people,,,
I tell you what mate,, go stick your head up your arse and carry on believing your shit ,,,
You fuck off tosser,,,
Fucking retard, How fucking dare you!!!!!
Oh yeah,, and what exactly is the point of religion?? or believing in something that was made up thousands of years ago,,,
that is retarded imo,,
*Miss Daisy*
Suck a Big Hairy....
Gmarthews said:
I'd rather live my life with a few moral codes,, common sense,, openmindedness bit of love and understanding and no religious straitjacket,,
gnoriac
lowly seer
Part of the reason for the anti-Jewish thing is that for a few centuries they were the only people in Europe who could practice money-lending; it was forbidden by the Catholic church. While being essential to the local economy, some of the nobility would get up to their eyeballs in debt to them, then what easier way to clear off your debts than organise a pogrom?
My history's a bit shaky here, but as an example, I think it was in the 13th century Edward II (?, I'm not good on monarchs) who encouraged Jewish immigration to England to fire up the economy, then later forced all Jews to wear a yellow patch (the Nazis weren't great on originality), then had forced deportations at the same time as several anti-Jewish riots breaking out.
My history's a bit shaky here, but as an example, I think it was in the 13th century Edward II (?, I'm not good on monarchs) who encouraged Jewish immigration to England to fire up the economy, then later forced all Jews to wear a yellow patch (the Nazis weren't great on originality), then had forced deportations at the same time as several anti-Jewish riots breaking out.
revol68
what, fucking what?
*Miss Daisy* said:
Dont call me a fucking retard for expressing my opinions,,
like usual, people jump on one word(buddism) in my post and jump in,,, I mentioned buddism,, tbh i dont know much about it, but some of its bits seem to make sense,,,
I am NOT religious,, and IMO being dependent on a religion to lead their life and to make choices and think for them is fine, just dont go blowing up the countries that dont believe in said religion,,,and dont try and force it on other people,,,
I tell you what mate,, go stick your head up your arse and carry on believing your shit ,,,
You fuck off tosser,,,
Fucking retard, How fucking dare you!!!!!
Oh yeah,, and what exactly is the point of religion?? or believing in something that was made up thousands of years ago,,,
that is retarded imo,,
a) i'm an atheist
b) the buddhism was just a superflous point.
c) I was criticising this simplistic bullshit that see's religion, and theological disagreements as the ontology of wars. It's pure bullshit, religion can be put the service of war and states, and reinforce divisive and agressive discourses but it is not the "cause" per se. In northern ireland the issue is not one of catholicism versus protestantism but rather it is a political conflict around "nationalism" that has religion as a crude signifier.
The philosophical stuff is mostly common sense put in a really flowery way, and the metaphysical stuff is unevidenced nonsense. But then, it's old and oriental, plus it's got loads of stuff about energy and ki and all that other bollocks, so it must be a path to wisdom and enlightenmentGmarthews said:
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