The Jewish flight out of France

[nino_savatte]

That would explain the over-reaction/lack of sarcasm detection/general failure in humour

You don't do national stereotypes do you?

Nurse! The screens!!!

 

[Ratan]

What's his nationality got to do with it (you're wrong btw)? Next you'll be asking him whether he's swarthy and likes bagels.

Its a English pleasantry.

 

[Streathamite]

That'll be 'an English pleasantry', then.
do keep the British end up, old boy.....

 

[ViolentPanda]

Its a English pleasantry.

Really? There was me thinking you'd asked him an intrusive question!

I'd always been brought up to believe that " pleasantries" were something along the line of general courtesy and politeness.

Still, if you get pleasantries and intrusiveness mixed up you probably have a lot of fun thinking people are being polite when they call you rude names. Probably be "water off a duck's arse" to you though.

 

[Streathamite]

I have to say, this really is one of JC2's more inane, shit-stirring threads. a handful of emigres and hey! it's Diaspora mkII!

 

[Ratan]

Really? There was me thinking you'd asked him an intrusive question!

I'd always been brought up to believe that " pleasantries" were something along the line of general courtesy and politeness.

Still, if you get pleasantries and intrusiveness mixed up you probably have a lot of fun thinking people are being polite when they call you rude names. Probably be "water off a duck's arse" to you though.

Cant he fight his own battles.

 

[Wilson]

sounds like a big pile of zionist poo to me

 

[888]

Nope. I am a dual British-American citizen. Why? Is it relevant?

Moi aussi!

 

[888]

To claim it's a precursor to some sort of new Holocaust is frankly ridiculous and vaguely offensive IMO.

Precisely - they interviewed the handful of emigrants with the most over the top opinions (out of only 500 or so/year anyway - that's 1/1000th of the French Jewish population). Pure hysteria.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Cant he fight his own battles.

Can't you punctuate your sentences properly?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2352d643-64b2-4652-80a0-566ef87b01ca

Mr. Saadoun knew they had made the right decision last month. He had attended a Jewish New Year service with his eight-year-old son, Yoni. Upon leaving the synagogue, he says, "Yoni looked at me and he said, very alarmed, 'Papa! You are wearing your skullcap on the street. You must take it off! It is not safe!' "

"I told him that in Canada you can wear a kippa on the street with no fear of danger. When I said it, I immediately thought, Thank goodness we're here. It will be good for us here."

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"In France, [firebombings] were common," says Valerie Saadoun. "And they went unnoticed by the authorities -- that was the scary thing. The silence."

"That bombing was in a way a sign to the French Jews thinking of coming here," says Ms. Ettinger. "That these things might happen, but they will remain isolated if Canada can help it. That here, hate crimes won't be tolerated, that racial disharmony is not like it is in France."

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Sources at JIAS believe that close to 1,000 French Jews arrived in Montreal this year alone. They foresee a similar number coming in 2006.

 

[e-fluent]

Jewish people are West Asian, are you telling me they experience even as much racism in a year as darker skinned asians would experience in a month?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

Jewish people are West Asian, are you telling me they experience even as much racism in a year as darker skinned asians would experience in a month?

Actually, there are sephardic and ashkenazi jews.

 

[nino_savatte]

Moi aussi!

Très bien!

 

[Dissident Junk]

I think these articles are very interesting. They remind me of an article I read in the NS by Denis McShane? (I think) where he said that the present situation in Europe reminded him of the Weimar Republic.

I know history doesn't repeat itself, et al, but in light of McShane's remarks, the flight of French Jews is interesting. Maybe they sense something we do not.

 

[nino_savatte]

Dennis McShane?

 

[Dissident Junk]

Ooppps . . .Denis, I meant.

 

[Streathamite]

http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=2352d643-64b2-4652-80a0-566ef87b01ca

Mr. Saadoun knew they had made the right decision last month. He had attended a Jewish New Year service with his eight-year-old son, Yoni. Upon leaving the synagogue, he says, "Yoni looked at me and he said, very alarmed, 'Papa! You are wearing your skullcap on the street. You must take it off! It is not safe!' "

"I told him that in Canada you can wear a kippa on the street with no fear of danger. When I said it, I immediately thought, Thank goodness we're here. It will be good for us here."

.....................................................

"In France, [firebombings] were common," says Valerie Saadoun. "And they went unnoticed by the authorities -- that was the scary thing. The silence."

"That bombing was in a way a sign to the French Jews thinking of coming here," says Ms. Ettinger. "That these things might happen, but they will remain isolated if Canada can help it. That here, hate crimes won't be tolerated, that racial disharmony is not like it is in France."

............................................................

Sources at JIAS believe that close to 1,000 French Jews arrived in Montreal this year alone. They foresee a similar number coming in 2006.

Johnny; however many idiot posts you put up, detailing individual instances of ethnic tension between individual jews and arabs in France, it does not alter the fact that
a)there is SOD ALL of a diaspora going on, other than for reasons of individual economic betterment.
and
b) who cares?

 

[Streathamite]

Actually, there are sephardic and ashkenazi jews.

who are both originally from....west asia.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

I think these articles are very interesting. They remind me of an article I read in the NS by Denis McShane? (I think) where he said that the present situation in Europe reminded him of the Weimar Republic.

I know history doesn't repeat itself, et al, but in light of McShane's remarks, the flight of French Jews is interesting. Maybe they sense something we do not.

Actually, history does repeat itself.

 

[laptop]

The first article is totally bizarre. It's just like the articles spoon-fed to some papers by the Jewish Agency with the intent of scaring everyone into making Aliyah - except that it's promoting going to Canada instead.

I can imagine particularly right-wing US-based Zionist groups (what a contradiction, oy) relishing the thought of Jews leaving France for anywhere.

But is there something Canada should know?

 

[spring-peeper]

The first article is totally bizarre. It's just like the articles spoon-fed to some papers by the Jewish Agency with the intent of scaring everyone into making Aliyah - except that it's promoting going to Canada instead.

I can imagine particularly right-wing US-based Zionist groups (what a contradiction, oy) relishing the thought of Jews leaving France for anywhere.

But is there something Canada should know?

I don't know, is there?

Is accepting this "type" of immigrants a bad thing?

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

a)there is SOD ALL of a diaspora going on, other than for reasons of individual economic betterment.

b) who cares?

Frankly, I'll take the word of French jews about why they're leaving over your opinion.

b) people of good conscience are usually bothered by a sharp rise in intolerance.

 

[laptop]

Is accepting this "type" of immigrants a bad
thing?

If they're pseudo-Zionist (Canuckist?) nutters, it may well be.

 

[Johnny Canuck3]

If they're pseudo-Zionist (Canuckist?) nutters, it may well be.

What are you babbling about?

 

[laptop]

Frankly, I'll take the word of French jews about why they're leaving over your opinion.

Yabbut, the point is about the numbers - so a claimed 500 French Jews have gone to Canada out of - what was it, 400,000 in France? That's within the margin of error for reporting. No amount of personal testimony affects that. Hence my point about the bizarre nature of the testimony: just like that regularly deployed to persuade Jews to make Aliyah - except to Canada.

 

[Streathamite]

Frankly, I'll take the word of French jews about why they're leaving over your opinion.

b) people of good conscience are usually bothered by a sharp rise in intolerance.

just two questions;
1. can you count to ten, properly?
2. can you read english properly?
edit; if you do some basic fucking research, you'll actually find the truth.
Yes the TRUTH.
not what you want the truth to be.
not what an israeli propagandist wants the truth to be.
Not what it suits your opinion-first-facts-later mindset to be the truth.
The actual truth.
which is that - despite rising ethnic tensions in france, a tiny handful of french jews have left for canada and Israel.
and the reasons are financial as much as driven by fear.
And any french person of whatever ethnicity will confirm this.
do try to distinguish between propaganda and facts, we've already got one pbman, thanks.

 

[mauvais]

Can anyone find statistics for migration out of France, regardless of religion?

Edit: if the other statistics I've found are right, a conservative estimate is that there are about 519,000 Jews in France. Johnny reckons 1,000 go to Canada and I reckon about 2,000 go to Israel each year. That's a whopping 0.57% of the population!

France: With the breakup of the USSR, France had the third largest Jewish population in the world, after the United States and Israel. Paris is the largest Jewish city outside of America and Israel, with a total of 27 Jewish day schools. Although there has been a huge outbreak of Anti-Semitism since the beginning of the new Intafada, French Jewry is fairly stable. Overall, the political clout of the community has been growing over the last 30 years (although this is balanced out by the presence in France of 5 million Moslems), and there has been a slow but steady growth of Judaism. However, there is a strong polarization between the Sephardim, who are highly mekarevable, and the original Ashkenazi population, who are very assimilated. There is also a steady aliyah to Israel, though the vast majority of French Jewry are staying put.

 

[nino_savatte]

Actually, history does repeat itself.

It isn't repeating itself in France. This is simply another one of many smears in an ongoing anti-French smear campaign begun by the zionist and Xtian right in the US.

 

[guinnessdrinker]

My bad, I thought that Sharon was French.

I think you need to study a little bit more before arguing with the big boys...