THE IWCA Something quite different or just another leftie group?
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I can see that kind of thing going down well in former labour movement strongholds now turning to the BNP.
Am I an anarcho-leninoid letty? Perhaps people do not recognise themselves as 'utopian anarchists'? So they do not answer your question... I skim read as I said before and if I don't think there's anything to be gained I do not answer. In this case it has interested me enough to have a go so i will.
I think there are a lot of political problems which are expediently dealt with by some eg. Apart from virtually the entire left, in the AF/Sol Fed or where ever, though there are lots more people than you may imagine who are 'thinking independents', which is the biggest grouping on the left incidentally - not the SWP
As for conditions, the rise of mass factory production gave rise to a paradigm worker subjectivity which was relatively homogeneous, and relatively easy to organise. Before that, in similar conditions to today, our foremothers and fathers struggled long and hard to keep the flame going. It is not too much to ask for us to do the same. As it goes, I am optomistic about the potential for working class political growth, and so 'why do I keep going' does not enter my head as the class struggle itself is interesting enough.
As usual, so vague as to say virtually nothing.
cockneyrebel
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And as you've debated the far left on this question loads of times before and know what everyone is gonna say and what you're gonna say back, I'd ask again, why do you care or bother?
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Let me get this right: If I don't know why someone has formulated a quite ridiculous conflation of two "isms" I'm "part of the problem"?
To be frank, I don't believe it's me that has the problem here, but rather the person doing the labeling.
I get the impression that apart from Oxford, they dont have a lot to shout about. But i think your right they would probably be better off doing something really different for a left group eg be honest about how low their membership is.Probably less than 50 nationally?
nino_savatte
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Posted by Attica
Am I an anarcho-leninoid letty? Perhaps people do not recognise themselves as 'utopian anarchists'? So they do not answer your question... I skim read as I said before and if I don't think there's anything to be gained I do not answer. In this case it has interested me enough to have a go so i will.
I think there are a lot of political problems which are expediently dealt with by some eg. Apart from virtually the entire left, in the AF/Sol Fed or where ever, though there are lots more people than you may imagine who are 'thinking independents', which is the biggest grouping on the left incidentally - not the SWP
As for conditions, the rise of mass factory production gave rise to a paradigm worker subjectivity which was relatively homogeneous, and relatively easy to organise. Before that, in similar conditions to today, our foremothers and fathers struggled long and hard to keep the flame going. It is not too much to ask for us to do the same. As it goes, I am optomistic about the potential for working class political growth, and so 'why do I keep going' does not enter my head as the class struggle itself is interesting enough.
No Letty - you are mistaken here, you just do not know what I am talking about. You do not know why the Leninist model worked then! 'Paradigm worker subjectivity' refers to the specific class position (or class composition and/or role in the labour process) of people. It is by keying into this that political progress may occur, Lenin managed to do so, and other thinking Marxists such as Negri try to as well.
Am I an anarcho-leninoid letty? Perhaps people do not recognise themselves as 'utopian anarchists'? So they do not answer your question... I skim read as I said before and if I don't think there's anything to be gained I do not answer. In this case it has interested me enough to have a go so i will.
I think there are a lot of political problems which are expediently dealt with by some eg. Apart from virtually the entire left, in the AF/Sol Fed or where ever, though there are lots more people than you may imagine who are 'thinking independents', which is the biggest grouping on the left incidentally - not the SWP
As for conditions, the rise of mass factory production gave rise to a paradigm worker subjectivity which was relatively homogeneous, and relatively easy to organise. Before that, in similar conditions to today, our foremothers and fathers struggled long and hard to keep the flame going. It is not too much to ask for us to do the same. As it goes, I am optomistic about the potential for working class political growth, and so 'why do I keep going' does not enter my head as the class struggle itself is interesting enough.
No Letty - you are mistaken here, you just do not know what I am talking about. You do not know why the Leninist model worked then! 'Paradigm worker subjectivity' refers to the specific class position (or class composition and/or role in the labour process) of people. It is by keying into this that political progress may occur, Lenin managed to do so, and other thinking Marxists such as Negri try to as well.
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Fibber.
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Shall we try to do something about it though?
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