The Independent - liberal crock of shit

[nino_savatte]

The Morning Star is where it's at, baby!

 

[William of Walworth]

The Morning Star is where it's at, baby!

Pick it up occasionally and it's not half bad but it's a bit thin ... best as a complement (and corrective!) to other papers than to be depended on by itself.

 

[William of Walworth]

I think the pair of them have some of the lower "crap to not-crap" ratios around if you're going to read any paper at all.

Exactly.

 

[nino_savatte]

Pick it up occasionally and it's not half bad but it's a bit thin ... best as a complement (and corrective!) to other papers than to be depended on by itself.

It is rather thin...emaciated perhaps, but it's honest.

 

[Divisive Cotton]

The Independent does have good features - there's no doubt about that. They do have some fine journalism. But what I dislike about it is the schizophrenic approach to problems and solutions. It's all very highlighting what the problems are, but don't take such roadblock position to popular movements. Sure it points to a political shortcoming, but also a disingenuous commercial approach that seeks to increase its readership through faux radicalism.

I don't read it everyday, so perhaps they're do spend a lot of time cheerleading the workers of the world!

 

[gurrier]

The Independent is known over here as "the O'Reilly Family's Calling Card in London Society". The papers that O'Reilly runs over here are all reactionary daily-hate-mail style rubbish and it is considered that the divergent trends taken by the London title reflect Mr. O'Reilly's desire to ingratiate himself with London society.

 

[Poi E]

Used to be a regular but it seems to have gotten a little lightweight lately. They have the odd straw-tory in there for show. Weekend Indy vomits all sorts of lifestyle crap all over the place.

 

[Azrael]

The Independent is known over here as "the O'Reilly Family's Calling Card in London Society". The papers that O'Reilly runs over here are all reactionary daily-hate-mail style rubbish and it is considered that the divergent trends taken by the London title reflect Mr. O'Reilly's desire to ingratiate himself with London society.

I bought a couple of Irish Independents when I was over there; boy did I get a shock.

As for this latest bout of union-bashing, it's fucking tiresome to say the least. It's not a traditional liberal position, but "liberal" newspapers will do it due to their own vested interests. (None want another Wapping.) When I can be bothered to read a mainstream paper it's usually the Indy of the Telegraph, neither of whom's editorial positions I've got much truck with, but they do have the best columists and reporting.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The Morning Star is where it's at, baby!

Actually, that's the other one that I read. While as people say it's a bit thin, there's probably about the same amount of actual content, since you don't have to skip over the ads and the puff pieces and the travel section and so on.

I bought it in Sainsbury's once and the bloke thought it was a free sheet someone had left in the basket to start with. He held it up incredulously. "60p?" he said. "Er, well, it's got a low circulation," I murmured.

 

[nino_savatte]

Actually, that's the other one that I read. While as people say it's a bit thin, there's probably about the same amount of actual content, since you don't have to skip over the ads and the puff pieces and the travel section and so on.

I bought it in Sainsbury's once and the bloke thought it was a free sheet someone had left in the basket to start with. He held it up incredulously. "60p?" he said. "Er, well, it's got a low circulation," I murmured.

True, what one gets these days with the likes of The Guardian and The Independent is lots of filler. Does The Guardian really need two Society sections?

 

[Divisive Cotton]

I bought it in Sainsbury's once and the bloke thought it was a free sheet someone had left in the basket to start with. He held it up incredulously. "60p?" he said. "Er, well, it's got a low circulation," I murmured.

That happened to me the other day. I brought it in a newsagents and the woman behind the counter was holding it up to her mate and going, Sixty pence for this! Its like, just sell me the frigging thing.

 

[nino_savatte]

That happened to me the other day. I brought it in a newsagents and the woman behind the counter was holding it up to her mate and going, Sixty pence for this! Its like, just sell me the frigging thing.

Aye, and look at the "value for money" once gets with The Sun or The Star; not a single proper news story between them and both are filled with the most mindless shite imaginable. You pay for quality.

 

[liampreston]

You do pay for quality - that's why I don't mind paying for the Indie or Grauniad - they have flips in content now and then, but I prefer paying for a newspaper which gives me alternative points of view, not some bias mouthpiece or flimsy content-light rag.

 

[nino_savatte]

You do pay for quality - that's why I don't mind paying for the Indie or Grauniad - they have flips in content now and then, but I prefer paying for a newspaper which gives me alternative points of view, not some bias mouthpiece or flimsy content-light rag.

Only, in the case of the Grauniad quality is pretty much the same thing as quantity.