The Independence Day is a brilliant film thread

[The Octagon]

I prefer the alternate ending (where Randy Quaid actually flies his Crop Dusting plane into battle with a fuck-off missile strapped to the wing )

The Special Effects are fucking mint in this film, the destruction of Earth's cities is brilliant.

 

[The Octagon]

big blockbuster sci fi is rarely excellent. It's the b-movies that usually get it bang on.

there are exceptions of course.

Surely Independence Day is a B-movie?

Albeit one with a lot of money thrown at it.

 

[foo]

Thats a bit hard on the Fresh Prince, he's been in some quality acting roles (six degrees of seperation) and has been in some good fun films (Men In Black)

that's me though Dot. hard.

i like Men In Black too as it happens - so there goes my i hate all films with grinny Will in it, out the window.

who's that other actor in MinB? now he's

 

[isitme]

Tommy Lee Jones

he's not just he is

 

[foo]

that's the fella

he is superdooper

 

[foo]

what did you think of Happyness ken?

(i thought it was embarrassing)

 

[DotCommunist]

Tommy Lee Jones, a fine actor. He gets some great lines in Natural born Killers

'These are the two most depraved twisted shit-fucks it has ever been my displeasure to deal with'

and of course
'Jesus Christ on rubber fucking crutches'

 

[Sadken]

what did you think of Happyness ken?

(i thought it was embarrassing)

I refuse to watch his sentimental bullshit films, mate. For me, they never happened.

 

[foo]

shall we turn this into a Tommy Lee Jones thread?

to piss ken off for a larf like.

 

[Sadken]

What about I,Robot?

"ACHOO!!!!! Excuse me, I'm allergic to bullshit"

"Somehow, I told you so just isn't going to cover it..."

Great film in a shit film sort of way.

 

[DotCommunist]

Surely Independence Day is a B-movie?

Albeit one with a lot of money thrown at it.

I was going for the original meaning of lower budget. Usage has changed.

 

[isitme]

What about I,Robot?

"ACHOO!!!!! Excuse me, I'm allergic to bullshit"

"Somehow, I told you so just isn't going to cover it..."

Great film in a shit film sort of way.

I,Robot is a potentially great film which was sunk by having to be based around will smith

 

[Sadken]

I,Robot is a potentially great film which was sunk by having to be based around will smith

It's a flawed work, for sure.

 

[DotCommunist]

The book was better.

 

[Matt S]

The single greatest thing about Independence Day is non-verbal...namely the *incredibly* cheesy 'emotional salute' that one of the extras gives immediately after the President's speech. Best bit of shit acting EVAH.

Matt

 

[isitme]

Aside from the fact that it's nowt to do with the book there were a lot of good ideas going on in there, but the fact they had to turn it into a daft actin film full of wisecracks ruined it

 

[Sadken]

The single greatest thing about Independence Day is non-verbal...namely the *incredibly* cheesy 'emotional salute' that one of the extras gives immediately after the President's speech. Best bit of shit acting EVAH.

Matt

The speech is INCREDIBLE.

 

[TrippyLondoner]

Oh, all of you are right bastards.

They're right though eh?

 

[Sadken]

They're right though eh?

 

[spacemonkey]

The speech is INCREDIBLE.

 

[fogbat]

How the fuck did this thread reach two pages?!

Even with disagreements, it should have been finished in two posts.

 

[Sadken]

How the fuck did this thread reach two pages?!

Even with disagreements, it should have been finished in two posts.

Jesus! I feel like I can do ANYTHING!

 

[frogwoman]

*subscribes*

 

[ATOMIC SUPLEX]

It's a pretty shit film in many ways but it's a good slice of slap bang wallop sci fi nonsense action that was a lot of fun the first time around. II don't think it was a film that anyone ever took seriously.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That's fucking rock that is

 

[El Sueno]

I've seen Battlefield Earth. I even read that Dark Bitch from Hell. What was it; 700 pages about mining?

You just reminded me I saw Battlefield Earth, having heard it was the shittest film ever and presuming it'd be quite funny. But it wasn't. It was just simply the shittest film ever. And fucking boring to boot.

Wow I'd somehow managed to erase the whole sorry evening from my brains until then.

 

[T & P]

Some of the worst acting performances and cheesy dialogue ever seen on the big screen.

Special effects are good though. Perhaps a film best enjoyed with the sound muted...

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

I,Robot is a potentially great film which was sunk by having to be based around will smith

See, I think Will Smith is actually pretty good. He's just been in some shit.

But when he puts his mind to it, like in The Pursuit of Happyness, he's one of the best mainstream actors around.

 

[kyser_soze]

ID is the tops - a great re-working of the 50s B-movie, and done on a relatively modest budget ($75m production budget, which was still 'top of the middle' range for movie budgets); shot mostly using models & greenscreen and not CGI-tastic.

 

[Groucho]

Mars Attacks! is a far better film and when set against the dreary predictable ID the contrast is dazzling.

The two films came out at around the same time and you almost get the impression that MA! was made as a repost to ID.

In MA! the aliens are fab, funny, sexy. In ID the aliens are dull and not scary as they should be, certainly not funny, sexy or fun. Both films have cartoon acting but in MA! it is deliberate.

On the subject of the thread and the speech, by crikey you could not do better than opting for the speech used at the end of MA!