The harrasment of disabled people by Nl is bordering on fascism

[TremulousTetra]

By that logic you should have called this thread something like "Prince Harry ate kittens in public toilet" or something like that.

you watch "the big bang theory".

 

[TremulousTetra]

what a funny thread for a start you've got a load of the usual suspects jumping in to moan about what and what does not consistue facism. then they go on to say that this isn't facism. none of them apperntly can read or understand context.

sayign something boarders on something else isn't say it is something else it saying it's close to it.

and frankly what is close to the first tennants of the facist is the clamp down on soft targets such as the disablled, imigrants etc.

that you are all intrested in cupping each others balls and explaining why in your view it's not facism you are missing the entire point.

again.

when are the posters who proport to be left wing going to cease bickering and knob waving and come up with a coherant alternative to the status quo which has more than a gnats breath of getting started with out imploding in this circle jerk stupidity....

why is it that football fans can riot about a broken big screen but people have no intrest in doing the same for really important things as opposed to trivial shite...

good questions, but he shouldn't have used the word fascist imho. we are all ready shitty mess because of people over using the term.

 

[The Black Hand]

I am very sorry about your brother and I wasn't aware you had a disability, but my point still stands: many many disabled people feel they are being hounded to an unsufferable extent. It is also noticeable how many people cry wolf' as it were when it comes to civil liberties, eg 42 days, the guardian is full of such cries, but not when it relates to peoples livelihoods and dignity.

I agree Treelover they have gone way too far as it is. There are many people who are fucked off with the bureaucrats and new Lab.

 

[The Black Hand]

why is it that football fans can riot about a broken big screen but people have no intrest in doing the same for really important things as opposed to trivial shite...

Tbh the left and @ do not have a popular touch. They simply do not know how to relate to people in crowds, indeed many would and do cak their pants.

The attack on the old bill was only marginally related to the broken screen btw.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

But the ESA,IB and DLA reforms do not come anywhere close to being fascist.
Plenty of disabled people will be hoping for the best from the reforms. And what exactly is the alternative to supporting disabled people into employment? Leaving them at home or in day centres etc???

hopeing for the best.

it's a hurricain coming but were hoping for the best.

you don't want hoping for the best you want a society which cease to percute you and treat illness any illness as a crime.

it's fucking victorian and frankly it is boardering on facism eleminate the sick the weak the imigrants and the poor.

and no one on the supossed left should support it hell most of the people on the right don't support it...

 

[poster342002]

it's fucking victorian and frankly it is boardering on facism eleminate the sick the weak the imigrants and the poor.

and no one on the supossed left should support it hell most of the people on the right don't support it...

For once, I have to agree.

[goes for a stiff drink to recover from shock]

 

[Fullyplumped]

you watch "the big bang theory".

Yes I do, sitting in my time machine.

 

[Fullyplumped]

It looks like they are going for DLA next, it sounds as if claimants will get the equivalent of the US food stamps.


'As well as possible further changes to incapacity benefit and employment and support allowance regulations, the Green Paper may well include proposals to change the way disability living allowance is administered, with the goal of making it part of a combined budget that disabled people receive in order to pay for social services and other care.

http://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/content/view/950/92/

You really need to become better informed in this field, treelover, if only so that you can direct your energies at real targets.

As _angel_ said, this is to do with adding to the personal budgets that disabled people may be given to organise and pay for their personal care package.

Look up Direct Payments, In Control, and Self Directed Care on the internet.

The Scottish Executive / Scottish Government has been trying to get DLA and AA which would be due in respect of people in care homes benefiting from free personal and nursing care paid to it instead.

It makes some sense for money designed to help pay for the costs of living with a disability to be part of an overall budget. Read the personal stories here from a recent trial of this approach in Essex. The editors of "Benefits and Work" website don't really get what is going on.

 

[treelover]

ah, but part of DLA is to give someone a quality of life that an able bodied person may have, eg having enough to go on a holiday, if the money is ringfenced, then yes, it is the equilavent of food stamps as there will be strictures on what you can spend it on. further, spome people donyt get extra care form the council, they use part of their DLA for care, etc.

 

[treelover]

btw, the 'Managerialise' on that site is ridiculous, policy wonk central, oh and I think, Newsnight did a package on individual budgets, a lot of people hated them...

 

[_angel_]

ah, but part of DLA is to give someone a quality of life that an able bodied person may have, eg having enough to go on a holiday, if the money is ringfenced, then yes, it is the equilavent of food stamps as there will be strictures on what you can spend it on. further, spome people donyt get extra care form the council, they use part of their DLA for care, etc.

Then they'd be able to use the direct payment money to also pay for their care???

I can understand the basic ethos behind direct payments was to give disabled people a choice over whom they employed (to do often very personalised care) and were not at the mercy of a social services manager deciding what and whom should work with/ for them.

Although the admin of them is a bit of hard work*, I don't think there's anything wrong with the idea in essence. The person employs the right person for them and don't have to accept something that other people have decided is best for them.

Surely?




* cos I'm going thru this looking for a part time carer for my son... any takers??

 

[Fullyplumped]

btw, the 'Managerialise' on that site is ridiculous, policy wonk central,

Sorry if it's hard going, but if you want to comment on developments in social care you ought to know this stuff.

oh and I think, Newsnight did a package on individual budgets, a lot of people hated them...

Newsnight is not an authoritative source! At least read what disabled people managing their own budgets have to say. It's not for everyone but putting the disabled person in charge is an important way forward for many.

 

[Steven Gill]

Apology accepted.

You are also unaware of my activity in this area, so think before posting anymore of your moralistic certitude next time.

Thanks.

Er, you could try being a bit less arsy next time mate when you accept people's aplogies, esspecially when they're genuine.

 

[audiotech]

Er, you could try being a bit less arsy next time mate when you accept people's aplogies, esspecially when they're genuine.

...and you are?