Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by 8den, Apr 26, 2017.
What are we all thinking about it now?
I still like it, but then I like bleak and grim. There are a few things which didn’t add up, especially how much June/Offred gets away with and how all the handmaids come back from the colonies because the colonies are a bit of a dramatic dead end. I’m also still not buying that race isn’t much of an issue in this society, in which fascist regime wasn’t race an issue ? On the plus side, Serena becomes the most interesting character in season 2 as it finally sinks in that she’s just as fucked as any woman in the regime she helped to build. I liked the flashbacks which showed how things went to shit fast. On the whole it still was gripping.
I didn't know it was still airing. I really liked series one, and was looking forward to series two. We gave up due to not being able to physically see anything for much of the episode.
Seems to me the episodes are all written by different people who have only read a summary of the action so far. Still watching though.
Has the series finished yet on C4?
June was pregnant so they needed her, couldn't just execute her. I'm interested to know which bit of being pinned down and raped as punishment was 'getting away with it though?
I think they brought them back from the colonies after lots of them died in that explosion
No it is still going.
I'm loving it, can't wait for each episode, love watching it.
I get that this was the rationalisation in both cases, but it felt more like they needed to keep the characters than this being consistent with the cruelty of that society. As to the rape, the whole point is that this dystopia has completely normalised rape, so that isn’t even considered unusually cruel punishment within the context. They would have executed her after she gave birth or finished nursing and I just didn’t buy they would reintegrate all the handmaids from the colonies and we soon see why that was a bad idea.
I finished episode 11 (Holly) - which I thought was so tense, heartbreaking (yep I cried - edit: no, I was thinking of the previous episode and the 'unexpected reunion' ) and visually amazing although
it really didn't need THAT much screaming and birthing IMO - it was too much
Question that's been bugging me A LOT, how the heck is Ofglen back being a handmaid after being mutilated and exposed to shitloads of radiation???
edit: although reading about the mutilation just now, it was FGM - so she could still have children, but what about all the radiation? Isn't a handmaid's main function to have babies?
I've been watching again and enjoying it again - if enjoying is the right word as it is pretty bloody grim.
I liked the episode where the commander and Serena went to Canada. I liked Serena's series of realizations of what she'd had to accept as part of this state she'd had such a big hand in creating and had believed in so wholeheartedly.
Personally, I think the mother/child stuff is being hammered home almost to the point of overdoing it. I think it's been written to hit people who are parents really hard - I am not so I can't relate to it in quite the same depth. I thought the reunion was very well done though.
I am hoping that Aunt Lydia's sudden understanding and almost kindness is indicative of people within this society starting to realize that maybe it is all brutal and wrong rather than just lazy writing. She has been one of the maddest zealots throughout.
I think June/Offred "gets away" with things because there have been many little things that she's "got away with" throughout the series and if they tried to dob her in now and it all came out, Serena and the comander would be for it as well and they know that.
Her rape to "make the baby come" was definitely a punishment from Serena but the comander did not realise it was a punishment as he doesn't think of that as rape. Serena knows though. As does Offred.
It's already been an opera, I think.
I haven't watched it, and given that it lacks what Jeff's looking for here, I won't. Everything written about it suggests to me that it gratuitously exploits the exact same things it claims to be against. Rather than trying to raise awareness of the threat of fascism in America, I suspect that its makers are "sneaking regarders" of that sort of thing.
I don’t see what a cathartic narrative about a fascist regime easily overthrown is supposed to achieve. Fictional catharsis is just escapism, so go watch The Matrix sequels or Logan’s Run or any number of dystopian movies that end with "Ding dong, the witch is dead". What I found far more valuable are the parallels the second season draws to the current political situation in the US and how that led to a totalitarian regime. If you don’t like watching anything as bleak as The Handmaids Tale, there are plenty of alternatives on the telly, but a narrative which extrapolates on the constant sexual thread women feel in our society and how governments legislate over their bodies shouldn’t be reassuring.
Being as there are spoilers everywhere I'll ask again without spoiler tags. How is Ofglenm/Emily a handmaid again, after all the radiation? Isn't the primary function of a handmaid to procreate?
They haven't covered it. I assume they did the fertility tests they have mentioned before. Would she necessarily be infertile? I don't know much about radiation!
I don't think they've specifically said the colonies are radioactive. Just toxic in some way.
Yeah maybe. I remember her tooth falling out, people dying from exposure to whatever was there. Might be wrong but I thought it was radiation. Maybe it's only extremely dangerous to foetus but she wasn't pregnant. Dunno, just seemed strange.
Good finale! Loved it.
Spoiler: Spoiler about finale
if June ends up back at the Waterford's in season 3 I don't think I'll have the patience to keep watching though
They can fuck off with that ending.
Good series otherwise though. A bunch of people I know stopped watching it because it was so unrelentingly grim.
Has it finished now? Can we talk about it?
she can't go back. The commander guy knows it was her who nicked the baby. Serena knows it was. She cant just waltz back in there. Which means that she is either going to be hidden by the "good" commander or live as some sort of guerrilla warfare / behind enemy lines type of thing - which would seem doomed to failure considering that everybody ends up on the wall who tries that
I liked the bombing. I liked the bit where they all started to work together as soon as the men fucked off (apart from Lydia briefly being nice ).
What I love is Serena's gradual awakening.
There needs to be a lot of change in the third series really or it will get boring.
Narratively, I thought the whole season was slightly ruined by the decision to keep June in the Waterford household no matter what, as if that were the premise of a sitcom or something.
It's a sit-trag with her ending up in that dreary room, again. I'm willing to bet that another season starts with her there. I watch it but think 'FFS, back to square one'.
I haven't read the book, but presume we are now beyond the original text?
I believe series 1 was based on the original text, and the rest is new material.
By the by, an entirely random point: the bloke who assisted the handmaid escaping and will presumably cover up the killing of [X], sounded like some kind of neo-liberal economist from the stuff he was muttering? Was that significant?
I don't think she's dead.
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