The handmaid's' tale

Discussion in 'books, films, TV, radio & writing' started by 8den, Apr 26, 2017.

  1. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

    I didn't see the last series, but started watching this one cause Mrs b loved it so much. We've stopped now, cause it's just boring.
     
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  2. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Yes, its boring, which makes it even worse - gratuitous torture of women's bodies for the sake of.. entertainment? It doesn't even try any more to engage with the why of it how this happened etc. It made me feel the same as when i tried to watch Kill Bill years ago and turned it off.
     
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  3. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

    Did you hear that documentary doon mckitchen made for r4 a year or so ago about violence against women as entertainment? Worth seeking out if you haven't - it really opened my eyes to how shit it is.
     
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  4. killer b

    killer b Nostrofuckingdamus

  5. The Fornicator

    The Fornicator Well-Known Member

    Indeed. It feels like a lazy dramatic device. I'd be far more intrigued by the emotional violence that usually precedes and frames later physical violence, often in the offenders childhood development.

    Don't often see childhood emotional violence or neglect as a formative factor, just the adult male seemingly acting in a vacuum.
     
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  6. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    ^ Will finish listening later. Has it ever been otherwise though i don't know, maybe its just that there is a hell of a lot more entertainment and women's bodies being tortured is still what gets commissioned.

    Found this interview with the (male) writer & producer of series 2. Think his answer to the below question quite telling, how feeble it is and how it seems to miss the larger point entirely:

    Q:"Margaret Atwood said that her one rule for Season 2..was that everything had to have actually happened somewhere, sometime. Can you reveal any specific examples from Season 2 that you drew from history or current events?

    he answers
    "I am a very strict adherent to her philosophy. It was something she used for the book. It’s what keeps [the show] from turning into torture pornography, and we’re not interested in making something that’s torturous for the sake of being torturous. I would be sick to my stomach if that’s what we ended up doing. We definitely try to show as little as possible when we do those things. Just enough to tell the story and make the emotions hit."
    (then he goes on about how there's historical precedent for women being drowned.)
     
  7. bimble

    bimble noisy but small

    Almost none of the violence i saw in first 2 episodes of season 2 is actually done by men btw, its women doing it to each other, men are almost invisible.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2018
  8. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    I'm not sure I agree with that. There was a phase some years ago when people started talking about child abuse that the punchline of literally every murder mystery and detective series was *tada* child abuse! Usually that the murderer /perp was an abuse survivor. It became a tiresome cliché and insulting to the vast majority of abuse survivors who aren't violent criminals.
     
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  9. The Fornicator

    The Fornicator Well-Known Member

    You're probably right. Sometimes frustration at US culture causes me to go cross-eyed.
     
  10. sojourner

    sojourner Where's me readers?

    Glad it's not just me thinking all of this then. I almost feel insulted by this season's gratuitous violence. Like the oppression and complete loss of rights etc in the book/first season wasn't bad enough for ya?! Here, have this!

     
  11. ringo

    ringo Macaroni cheese controller

    Given up for now too. Great TV but so relentlessly depressing we never feel like sitting down to watch the next episode.
     
  12. keithy

    keithy or queefy

    I binge watched 5 eps last weekend and after reading stuff about it was expecting it to be too much etc. Actually I didn't understand how it was any more depressing and gratuitous etc than the first season.

    Am still hooked, still feeling like it is close to home.
     
  13. tommers

    tommers Your disco needs you

    It really is relentless.
     
  14. keithy

    keithy or queefy

    It always was tho
     
  15. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    S2 is over. This is the best acted (god the acting is incredible), directed, lit and filmed show on TV right now. The moment-to-moment writing is also superb. The overaching plot, however, is lurching about all over the place. The events of the final episode come with fast pace and little warning, and some characters make some really rather stupid decisions, given what we already know about how Gilead operates. I withold final judgement until I see where they take it in Season 3. It might all be worth it. But I really really hope they have a concrete plan for the story. They can't carry on with more of the same any more, not while maintaining belief in a coherent setting.
     
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  16. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    I'm still failing to see the point (I'm on Channel 4 time). Did we really need to see
    Serena Joy
    in her underwear examining her bruises? No we did not.

    Series 1 made its point beautifully: here is a misogynist dystopia that is actually not that far from reality. Series 2's point is what exactly?

    E2a actually having posted this I suppose it is saying some things about how oppression affects people and about complicity.
     
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  17. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    I hadn't realised there was so much of series 2 - 13 episodes! At least it makes sense of the story arc now tho, the women-on-women violence of the first quarter slowly being replaced, and leading to the shocking plot development at the midway point, which, in turn, leads to a smidge of sisters are doing it for themselves. And then the whole shit show reasserts itself. I guess we'll be rounding off with something extravagantly silly when June gives birth. (I'm watching on C4 too, so not finished yet)

    As Crispy says, the acting, direction etc etc are all top, maybe a little too much. But the characterisation has dropped right off, and it is way too plot driven now. Hopefully they can rebalance it in futures series'
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2018
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  18. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    I've had a changeable relationship with s2, though I was never close to giving up.

    The final episode was, I agree, rather fast on big plot developments, which felt a bit odd, but ultimately sets the scene for an interesting s3. Potentially, there is a big redemptive arc for humanity on the way, and grassroots female empowerment will be the key.
     
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  19. keithy

    keithy or queefy

    I'm confused, where is it up to on channel 4? Surely last Sunday wasn't the final episode?
     
  20. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    That was eight of thirteen
     
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  21. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Channel 4 is 5 episodes behind the US (from where I've been nicking it)
     
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  22. Jeff Robinson

    Jeff Robinson Well-Known Member

    I missed two episodes whilst on holiday and haven't caught up so in effect I gave up on the show. At the end of last season it was basically the beginning of civil disobedience. This season I wanted to see heads roll. I wanted to see the commanders, the aunts, the soldiers, the wives - basically all of Gilead state and their supporters - either slaughtered or imprisoned. And yet all we got was episode after episode of handmaids being imprisoned, tortured, raped and worked to death. How many hours of this are we meant to endure for the future pay off of revolution? This series is vastly worse than the last one. Like many serialised dramas they are really stretching this out, there were some episodes that barley even had any dialogue.
     
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  23. spanglechick

    spanglechick High Empress of Dressing Up

    I think (hope) that that is the overall arc, but that we needed to see the seeds of unrest grow in a wider range of the population.
     
  24. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Yebbut that would go against Atwood. In the book this was just the beginning of Gilead.
     
  25. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Would it? The postscript in the book strongly implies Gilead doesn't actually last that long, iirr
     
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  26. keithy

    keithy or queefy

    Also Atwood has been clear that the second series isn't (and doesn't need to be) close to the book. She isn't involved and doesn't mind.
     
  27. FabricLiveBaby!

    FabricLiveBaby! /wɜːst tɜːf ɒn ɜːθ/

    I started watching this series, but I can't finish it. It upsets me too much.
     
  28. RubyToogood

    RubyToogood can't remember what goes here

    Oh, hm. I can't look it up because I lent my copy out.
     
  29. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    Looking at it, Gilead could well have survived at least a few decades (its vague, some of the characters from book, which is set in Early Giled, are said to still be significant in 'Middle Gilead', which implies there must be a 'Late Gilead.') It could all take place over ten-twenty years, but was probably longer. Either way, easy enough to get a eight seasons of TV out of it.
     
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  30. mystic pyjamas

    mystic pyjamas Don't call us,we'll call you.

    Any chance of THMT becoming a musical?
     
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