The Haka

[Mr Retro]

Definitely agree with you there. The tantrum they threw before the Wales game was ridiculous.

I was pissing myself at that. I hope all the 6 nations follow the Welsh lead and say they want to respond to the Haka with their anthem. What will they do then?

 

[gabi]

I was pissing myself at that. I hope all the 6 nations follow the Welsh lead and say they want to respond to the Haka with their anthem. What will they do then?

Um, the welsh singing their monotonous song wasn't the problem - simply the timing.

 

[gabi]

What will they do then?

Probably thrash them on the field, as per normal.

 

[pk]

lol

 

[Mr Retro]

Um, the welsh singing their monotonous song wasn't the problem - simply the timing.

Ya it was the timing. The All Blacks thought they had the right to say when the nation they were visiting could sing their anthem. When they were told they could not, in fact, do that, they reacted like kids and did the Haka in the dressing room.

Anyway if think "Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau" is monotonous I don't think you can bring an objective view to the discussion. It's one of the most uplifting experiences in sport, not just rugby.

I've been at a packed Lansdowne Road to see the Haka and a Packed Cardiff Arms to hear the Welsh anthem. The Welsh anthem is 10 times the experience.

 

[gabi]

Ya it was the timing. The All Blacks thought they had the right to say when the nation they were visiting could sing their anthem. When they were told they could not, in fact, do that, they reacted like kids and did the Haka in the dressing room.

Anyway if think "Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau" is monotonous I don't think you can bring an objective view to the discussion. It's one of the most uplifting experiences in sport, not just rugby.

I've been at a packed Lansdowne Road to see the Haka and a Packed Cardiff Arms to hear the Welsh anthem. The Welsh anthem is 10 times the experience.

Tedious, overblown bullshit.. i remember a coupla years ago, shortly before being thrashed by NZ i believe, they managed to pump out about 3 of their boring shitty nationalistic songs. I think they even had people abseiling down from the roof while droning it out IIRC.

Perhaps you're welsh tho, in which case you'll have a completely different, some might say biased viewpoint on this - for the rest of us its just a few minutes (if we're lucky) of time we could spend watching grass grow. The tune makes even god save the queen sound like its composed by mozart...

It's also worth rememberin the AB's perform the haka to pump themselves up, not for the benefit of spectators.

 

[Mr Retro]

Tedious, overblown bullshit.. i remember a coupla years ago, shortly before being thrashed by NZ i believe, they managed to pump out about 3 of their boring shitty nationalistic songs. I think they even had people abseiling down from the roof while droning it out IIRC.

Perhaps you're welsh tho, in which case you'll have a completely different, some might say biased viewpoint on this - for the rest of us its just a few minutes (if we're lucky) of time we could spend watching grass grow. The tune makes even god save the queen sound like its composed by mozart...

No I'm Irish, so in a better position to call it than you. You are quite simply, totally wrong.

 

[Mr Retro]

It's also worth rememberin the AB's perform the haka to pump themselves up, not for the benefit of spectators.

Thats not what the NZ management were saying after the event when they tried to blame the Welsh for denying the fans from seeing the Haka.

Have you ever been to a rugby international gabi?

 

[revol68]

No I'm Irish, so in a better position to call it than you. You are quite simply, totally wrong.

well i'm northern irish and i'm in a brilliant position to say that all national anthems make me wretch and one of the saddest days in my life was watching Nicky Wire come on stage draped in a fucking welsh flag, dumb flag scum, eh?

 

[Red Faction]

what ever became of poor christian cullen?

 

[slaar]

Thats not what the NZ management were saying after the event when they tried to blame the Welsh for denying the fans from seeing the Haka.

That's clearly not true though. You only have to see the All Black take-down of BOD about 30 seconds into the last Lions series to see what its purpose is.

 

[Red Faction]

That's clearly not true though. You only have to see the All Black take-down of BOD about 30 seconds into the last Lions series to see what its purpose is.

thats still sickening

 

[dylanredefined]

Supposedly there is a private eye cartoon of the response to the haka the other team lining up and miming fireing muskets at them .
May be the tradtional reponse but even I can see its in very poor taste.

 

[Fruitloop]

The Maori were a bit handy with a musket themselves, historically speaking. Battle of Gate Pa mean anything?

Thought not!

 

[gabi]

Thats not what the NZ management were saying after the event when they tried to blame the Welsh for denying the fans from seeing the Haka.

Have you ever been to a rugby international gabi?

Um, yes, one or two? Why?

I'm from NZ. I can assure you the haka is not for the spectators... its irrelevant where they peform it - in their dressing room or in front of thousands of welshmen. It's for them, not the welsh.

"At the end of the day, haka is about spiritual preparation and we do it for ourselves. Traditionally fans can share the experience too and it's sad that they couldn't see it today."

- Richie McCaw

 

[revol68]

at the end of the day it's a crock of shite in preparation for a shite game, who fucking cares!

 

[gabi]

at the end of the day it's a crock of shite in preparation for a shite game, who fucking cares!

Well if u dont, then fair enough - why bother posting, or even opening a thread about a sport you dont care about then?

 

[Mr Retro]

That's clearly not true though. You only have to see the All Black take-down of BOD about 30 seconds into the last Lions series to see what its purpose is.

What I mean is that it's both a spectacle and for their own benefit.

The All Black management were blaming the Welsh for denying the fans the spectacle aspect.

 

[Mr Retro]

Um, yes, one or two? Why?

Coz it appeared to me that you haven't.

 

[gabi]

Coz it appeared to me that you haven't.

I'm from NZ.

What do you think?

 

[gabi]

The All Black management were blaming the Welsh for denying the fans the spectacle aspect.

Thats because it was the Welsh who acted to deny their fans the spectacle of the haka. They tried to break a tradition of over a hundred years, something nobody else had ever asked to do, and the AB's refused to comply...

 

[Juice Terry]

thats still sickening

What was most sickening about it was the way the NZ rugby/media machine tried to brush it under the carpet as though it was no big deal, how all the TV pictures of the incident disappeared and how Umaga was somehow portrayed as the victim of the whole affair.

"How dare those nasty foreigners criticise our loveley Tana, he'd never do anything dirty, he once saved Colin Charvis' life you know"

It was a deliberate spear tackle intentionally designed to hurt the Lions captain in the first minute of the first test and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.

 

[pinched_nerve]

Now this is cool

 

[gabi]

Now this is cool

Fuck yeh...that was wicked