The Haifa Declaration

[bingiman]

now there is a plan

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Right. By the time it got around to actually sharing a parliament most of the fundamentalists will have killed each other off.

tbh i think there are preacius few fundemntalists and it does no one any good to assume to trivalise to lable them as such...

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

What about the inhabitants of Israel? Should they disappear? The one state solution would just mean even more bloodshed. Democracy is a fine and noble aim but the democracy of the mob is not something to be admired.

yet this is what you support by your pro isreali stance...

Why don't you support those on the ground who are working for peace rather than supporting a 'solution' that will cause more bloodshed?

why don't you...

 

[moono]

tbh i think there are preacius few fundemntalists and it does no one any good to assume to trivalise to lable them as such.

You think what you like, Garfield.

Likud Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday called on the government to cut off the power and water supplies in the Gaza Strip in a controlled fashion.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860752.html

That sure sounds like a fundamentalist to me.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

You think what you like, Garfield.



That sure sounds like a fundamentalist to me.

are likid in power at present?

then how is this different from nick griffin say we should send them all back...

tell me moo when were you in isreal or palestine? how much ground experince have you got?

 

[moono]

Don't hound me, Garfield, or I'll discredit your tagmemics.

 

[Lock&Light]

IIRC, Chaim Weizman was an Ulsterman.

Not for the first time, nino, you remember wrongly. President Herzog, is who you were thinking about.

Herzog was the one who told the not irrelevent story about when he was a kid in Belfast being asked if he was a Prod or a Catholic.

"I'm a Jew", he replied.

"But are you a Protestant Jew or a Catholic one?"

 

[nino_savatte]

Would you stop following me around? You were told by FridgeMagnet to stop this...do you think you're better than everyone else?

You snipe, you gloat and you stalk. You're a liar and a pest.

Don't bother replying, because I will report you.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Don't hound me, Garfield, or I'll discredit your tagmemics.

huh? dont' gettit???

do i take it you won't answer the question though...

I don't tink it does any good to portray Netanyahu as being the reasonable voice in the Knesset he's been pushed aside as being out of foavour for along time... he and those before him sharron etc are of the old school, even though olmerts a twat of the higest order he isn't old school miliatary...(well as far as anyone isn't in isreal apart from the C/O's)

 

[Lock&Light]

Don't bother replying, because I will report you.

There is nothing for you to report, nino.

 

[nino_savatte]

"Nothing to report"? You're so fucking full of yourself. You're still following me around, L&L and you were told to stop it. Most of your posts in the last 4 or 5 weeks are of you following me around the boards, sniping and trying to score cheap points.

Kindly fuck off.

 

[Lock&Light]

Kindly fuck off.

Neither kindly nor otherwise, nino.

 

[nino_savatte]

Posts reported.

 

[Lock&Light]

Posts reported.

Grow up, nino.

 

[editor]

Any chance of you learning to love the pleasures of the 'ignore' function?

 

[nino_savatte]

Grow up, nino.

On the contrary, it is you who needs to grow up: you have been stalking me around these boards ever since I joined 4 years ago. You have nothing to say and you seem to feel that you are above the law. Your juvenile obsession with me has to stop.

If anyone should be banned from here it is you. SwartyThug was banned and he is no different to you: he's a shit-stirrer and serial thread disrupter.

 

[Lock&Light]

Any chance of you learning to love the pleasures of the 'ignore' function?

Unfortunatly, nino seems to be incapable of putting me on 'ignore'.

 

[nino_savatte]

Unfortunatly, nino seems to be incapable of putting me on 'ignore'.

Oh, the irony! You categorically refuse to put anyone on ignore but expect others to use the function. Is your ego really so big that you feel you're too good to use the ignore button yourself?

You really are quite full of yourself.

 

[ViolentPanda]

are likid in power at present?

With the electoral system as it is in Israel, no party is ever totally disengaged from power, you should know that.

then how is this different from nick griffin say we should send them all back...

Fatuous.
Likud have been in power, and possibly will again, what scum like Netanyahu say carries far more weight with the electors than the ramblings of filth like Griffin.

tell me moo when were you in isreal or palestine? how much ground experince have you got?

Couldn't the same question reasonably be asked of you?

 

[Lock&Light]

Oh, the irony! You categorically refuse to put anyone on ignore but expect others to use the function. Is your ego really so big that you feel you're too good to use the ignore button yourself?

You really are quite full of yourself.

Well, nino, I don't go apoplectic every time I see a post from you. It's you who suffers from that handicap, so perhaps it is you who should do something about it.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

With the electoral system as it is in Israel, no party is ever totally disengaged from power, you should know that.

however int his case his is just saber rattling for his own party... if we take everything likid say as being evidence of an overall scheme or plot then there'd be nothing with which left to fight...

Fatuous.
Likud have been in power, and possibly will again, what scum like Netanyahu say carries far more weight with the electors than the ramblings of filth like Griffin.

the point being is he's opposition at present and so his words carry little wieght except with his own party, who we know are not in power, or likely to be (mainly becuase all the power houses for likid became kameda) equally he's also trying to secure his legacy as a better pm than olmert...

Couldn't the same question reasonably be asked of you?

enough, and likely some more before the years is out, all being well at the boarder.... my point is that moono has stated several times that they haven't ever been and perffer to support from afar for their own reasons. which is fair enough solidarity is good however, to presume to tell others what the mindset is based on these far off observeations is also misleading, extremisim on the ground or fundementalism is relative to the situation. I don't think it's exretemeism for example considering the conditions in the refugee camps to consider rising up and blowing yourself up it's understand as a reaction. however, if you go to tel aviv and look at what's being shown on tv and the slant and bais which is protraied in the meejah there you'd can also see that the rhetoric dished out is also understandable as the inhabitants largely get their information through santised and very much anti arab/palestinian channels... again this isn't exremeism it's reaction to the situation.

lableing ether as such is dismissive of the causes wholesale and also sensationalist, and sadly due to the continued barrage of pro isreali media world wide it also conjures up an image of the mental arab or the war hungery ireali and panders to sterotypes...

I'm not saying these people don't exist, hell i want my prejudices confirmed each time as it makes for quick easy photos without thinking about your angle (there a shabab with rock there's a settler looking like a bandito there's a tank, the wall etc) however it's rarely the case that these present themselves if at all... and it's not down to lack of access, in that area i have been very fortunate.

from the outside these actions i conceed look like utter madness and the pinicals of extremeism a carbon copy clone of every mental thing which has happened but inside of it it's not so clear cut.

 

[nino_savatte]

Well, nino, I don't go apoplectic every time I see a post from you. It's you who suffers from that handicap, so perhaps it is you who should do something about it.

Really? You could have fooled me. You are constantly following me around the boards and you have done that since I came to Urban 4 years ago.

You think that you're too good to use the ignore function but tell everyone else that they should use it. You're a hypocrite, a liar and a juvenile smear artist with a huge ego problem.

You were told not to stalk me around the boards and yet you persist.

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Don't feed the trolls it diverts from the debate

 

[nino_savatte]

Don't feed the trolls it diverts from the debate

I'm fed up with this small-minded cretin popping up wherever I post. SwarthyThug was banned for pretty much the same sort of behaviour, but L&L is allowed to pollute the boards with his rubbish. Why hasn't he been banned?

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

i accept that but this isn't the thread for it report and reload back to the point you are better than this eh?

 

[nino_savatte]

i accept that but this isn't the thread for it report and reload back to the point you are better than this eh?

I've done all that and a fat lot of good it's done too. He'll only follow me to another thread and derail that too.

 

[RhymnRzn]

You think what you like, Garfield.

Likud Chairman Benjamin Netanyahu on Thursday called on the government to cut off the power and water supplies in the Gaza Strip in a controlled fashion.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/860752.html

That sure sounds like a fundamentalist to me.

Sounds like the synogogue of Satan to me. Perhaps now, after this ill-conception is now an openly stated thought of the heart, Mister Netanyahu (he is not the only one) can now begin to enquire why he does not by the hand of the LORD upon him walk into Palestinians dwelling places with a jawbone, or a sword, and begin to slay his ten-thousands single-handedly.

 

[ViolentPanda]

however int his case his is just saber rattling for his own party... if we take everything likid say as being evidence of an overall scheme or plot then there'd be nothing with which left to fight...

Obviously.
Except that I'm not that willing to concede that Netanyahu is merely rattling his saber. Given his connections, he's likely manouvering too.

the point being is he's opposition at present and so his words carry little wieght except with his own party, who we know are not in power, or likely to be (mainly becuase all the power houses for likid became kameda) equally he's also trying to secure his legacy as a better pm than olmert...

Again, for all we can tell at the moment, Fat Benny is flying a kite, both for any "stray" Zionists in Israel, and for his Christian Zionist and AIPAC friends back in the USA.
As for securing a better legacy as PM than Olmert, Olmert's wankishness aside, as long as people remember Netanyahu's grotesque wife, Fat Benny is going to find that a hard job!

enough, and likely some more before the years is out, all being well at the boarder.... my point is that moono has stated several times that they haven't ever been and perffer to support from afar for their own reasons. which is fair enough solidarity is good however, to presume to tell others what the mindset is based on these far off observeations is also misleading, extremisim on the ground or fundementalism is relative to the situation.

I agree with that. I think there's an essential "something" missing from your mental calculus if you haven't been there, and that goes for supporters of both "sides" of the issue. I was last there in '90, during the 1st intifada, which is quite a while ago I admit, but I still hear fellow Jews as well as Muslims, Christians, Uncle Tom Cobley and all sounding off because of what they've read or heard without bearing in mnd the process of mediation that the info they receive has passed through.
IF they go there, whatever their belief about who is right or wrong, the one thing they WILL learn is that what is represented to them by the media as the reality of Israel/Palestine is a very narrow slice of life indeed.

I don't think it's exretemeism for example considering the conditions in the refugee camps to consider rising up and blowing yourself up it's understand as a reaction. however, if you go to tel aviv and look at what's being shown on tv and the slant and bais which is protraied in the meejah there you'd can also see that the rhetoric dished out is also understandable as the inhabitants largely get their information through santised and very much anti arab/palestinian channels... again this isn't exremeism it's reaction to the situation.

I still get amazed that in a world absolutely dominated by media dissemination, that more people don't engage critically with what is put before them.

lableing ether as such is dismissive of the causes wholesale and also sensationalist, and sadly due to the continued barrage of pro isreali media world wide it also conjures up an image of the mental arab or the war hungery ireali and panders to sterotypes...

I'm not saying these people don't exist, hell i want my prejudices confirmed each time as it makes for quick easy photos without thinking about your angle (there a shabab with rock there's a settler looking like a bandito there's a tank, the wall etc) however it's rarely the case that these present themselves if at all... and it's not down to lack of access, in that area i have been very fortunate.

from the outside these actions i conceed look like utter madness and the pinicals of extremeism a carbon copy clone of every mental thing which has happened but inside of it it's not so clear cut.

Nothing ever is, there is no "black and white" (except with lith prints).

 

[GarfieldLeChat]

Obviously.
Except that I'm not that willing to concede that Netanyahu is merely rattling his saber. Given his connections, he's likely manouvering too.

i don't know i think he's doing so for the home crowd, every so often he comes up with these bile ridden statements of hate and seems like he's attempting to distance himself from olmert and also to appeal to his hardcore supporters. Saying in effct if i were in power i'd do a mcuh better job, it seems only to renforce his own postition and let's face it he is willing these days to offer a sound bite on near eough anything just to make his pressence felt ask him about kosher chips and he'd have some hair brained scheme about it being linked somehwo to palestines savagery and the olmert was a hopeless pm...

Again, for all we can tell at the moment, Fat Benny is flying a kite, both for any "stray" Zionists in Israel, and for his Christian Zionist and AIPAC friends back in the USA.

again i think it's only for the home crowd it's not meant for a wider audeince at a time when olmert is weak anyway and also therels disscussion abotut the west bank and it's continued occupation etc plus with the escalation of problems in gaza he wants to bang a drum. After all he supported the destruction of the infrastructure of Gaza after the settler pull out in effect causing the problems now...

As for securing a better legacy as PM than Olmert, Olmert's wankishness aside, as long as people remember Netanyahu's grotesque wife, Fat Benny is going to find that a hard job!

very true...

I agree with that. I think there's an essential "something" missing from your mental calculus if you haven't been there, and that goes for supporters of both "sides" of the issue. I was last there in '90, during the 1st intifada, which is quite a while ago I admit, but I still hear fellow Jews as well as Muslims, Christians, Uncle Tom Cobley and all sounding off because of what they've read or heard without bearing in mnd the process of mediation that the info they receive has passed through.
IF they go there, whatever their belief about who is right or wrong, the one thing they WILL learn is that what is represented to them by the media as the reality of Israel/Palestine is a very narrow slice of life indeed.

I didn't want to say it that strongly, also i feel that said in those terms if gives credence to people like rach who (apperantly) live there and have a viewpoint which is (supposedly) based on that experince as clearly sometimes living there doesn't allow one clarity of vision either; as any inhabitant of tel aviv would inform you ...

I still get amazed that in a world absolutely dominated by media dissemination, that more people don't engage critically with what is put before them.

yup me too you read summit you know summit about and say that's rubbish it didn't go down like that then you turn the page and are suckered into beliveing the next POS articuel placed in front of you without question, as you have no frame of refference ... It's why i'm still deeply suspiscious of the whole bbc kidnapping in Gaza summits not right about that at all, it feels to set up, fake even ...

Nothing ever is, there is no "black and white" (except with lith prints).

ture enough ...

 

[moono]

R'nR;

Sounds like the synogogue of Satan to me.

Oh yes, it's just like the mosque of the Malignant. Netanyahu, Leiberman, just cogs in a very nasty fundamentalist machine , which requires negative publicity, Garfield, to keep it subdued and to forewarn its victims.