The Guardian: a right wing trajectory?

[Isambard]

Or have you confused me with another poster?

Ooooooooooops!

Sorry, I was referring to Treelover's adjacent post to your good critique of Garton-Ash *) and saying that yes, I'd let "illegals" vote.


*) Some of the stuff I've read by Garton-Ash in the Grauniad ofver the past couple of years hasn't seemed that out of place with the general trend of the paper I've felt. I was wondering if he'd made a road to damascus comersion to becoming a kind of wish-washy liberal of some kind. No, it just seemed that I got immune to right-wing shite in the Graunaid.

 

[treelover]

oh yes, and looked what happened, they became Ramsay Mcdonald!


just watched 'Fame is the Spur' about a Mcdonald like figure who betrays his socialist ideals and support.


KS: the New Victorian



http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/1842323393/202-1662583-4576650

From what I've read there was a lot of support from within the w/c for those who sought to make something of themselves. That they had to face shit from the rest of society and relied on their families, communities and associations for support.

 

[TeeJay]

It’s slightly off topic but as this thread started around a French seafarers strike we can stay “on the continent” I hope.

Staying 'on the continent'...

France seems to have a healthy 'left' in terms of strikes, te generalk population's attitudes and so forth (not sure if this translates to political parties tho') - so my question is: Are there decent left-wing "broadsheet" newspapers in France of the kind that people seem to wish the Guardian was. Or even anywhere in Europe?

 

[redsquirrel]

Probably the only columnist of value in the Guardian is Gary Younge.

Milne can still give a good article occasionally.

 

[Sorry.]

Staying 'on the continent'...

France seems to have a healthy 'left' in terms of strikes, te generalk population's attitudes and so forth (not sure if this translates to political parties tho') - so my question is: Are there decent left-wing "broadsheet" newspapers in France of the kind that people seem to wish the Guardian was. Or even anywhere in Europe?

don't speak french so couldn't say for sure, but I would of thought l'Humanite counted a genuine left daily...

 

[Isambard]

Liberation in France ?
El Pais in Spain?

In Germany Süddeutsche (perhaps) which has some kind of "sister" relationship with the Grauniad though the German newsaper market has a different structure.

Possibly "taz" which one could describle as aleft-ish daily paper but a VERY unequal regional distribution, mainly Berlin ansd major northern cities.

 

[siarc]

this is a good thread, quite interesting

essentially the guardian is trying to encroach on the times' territory, an article rusbridger gave a few weeks ago at the redesign was fairly unambiguous about that

 

[Che's hairy bot]

moving right or staying put?

Some people would argue that The Guardian has always been pro-state, smearing anarchists, AR and anti-globalisation activists etc for years. One of the problems the left faces is having too many illusions about so-called liberal media like C4 and Guuardian - but if you scratch a liberal/'guardianista' you'll find a little Hitler underneath.

 

[ska invita]

George Monbiot : an idiot
Naomi Klein : an idiot

I'm not having it.

As for the guardian gone tory - the blue mast head says it all... also, private eye ran a story about the editor (forgot his name right now) telling a bunch of media insiders that he was hoping to 'broaden the appeal' of the guardian... make of it what you will

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Rusbridger's remarks were reported all around the web. I remember posting about them myself.

What indication from its content do you have that the Guardian has gone rightwards overall?

 

[fishfingerer]

The last Guardian article I read was an op-ed which told the Germans that they should do the sensible thing and go tory and vote for the CDU. Rotters.

 

[upsidedownwalrus]

i.e. for the Mail they switch on 'hysteria' and use a thesaurus for as many creative ways to say 'Asylum seekers cause house prices to drop while eating swans and causing A-level standards to drop' (did I miss any there?) .

I have always been of the opinion that many seemingly right-wing stories in papers like the Mail are written by newspaper equivalents of trolls - i.e. leftie/liberal journalists doing it for the money, and going OTT for a laugh.