*The Great U75 Politics Reading List Thread.

Discussion in 'UK politics, current affairs and news' started by Idris2002, Jul 23, 2003.

  1. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Finally got around to finishing Revolt on the Right by Ford and Goodwin. Great book, I do not think that there is much I can say regarding it that hasn't already been done to death here other than the fact that I'm a bit confused that it never seems to use the Tea Party in the USA as a point of reference, a comparison which is a lot more apt than any comparisons between UKIP and the FN or the Austrian Freedom Party.
  2. murphy1970

    murphy1970 Active Member

    People's history of the United States - Howard Zinn
  3. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

  4. murphy1970

    murphy1970 Active Member

    What's the matter with Kansas? - Thomas Frank.
    Good account of the resistible rise of the Christian right.
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  5. J Ed

    J Ed Follow Back Pro Expropriation

    Does anyone have a pdf of this?
  6. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

  7. dialectician

    dialectician The Main Enemy is at home.

    I read that a few years ago, didn't find their criticism of Ticktin very persuasive. I should really re-read it and see if I've changed my mind.

    But Cliff/Shachtmanite state capitalism/bureaucratic collectivism deserves to be confined to the dustbin. :p
  8. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  9. Limerick Red

    Limerick Red Мы вас похороним!

  10. murphy1970

    murphy1970 Active Member

    The Case of Comrade Tulayev by Victor Serge. Very bleak, but given the subject matter it could be little else.
    Have looked for Memoirs of a revolutionary as e-book but with no luck so will have to look for print copy.
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  11. belboid

    belboid TUC Off Your Knees

    it is freely avialable on marxists.org, so quite easy to make your own if you wanna. A tempting idea
  12. murphy1970

    murphy1970 Active Member

    Thanks for that
  13. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

  14. SpineyNorman

    SpineyNorman it was already like that when I got here

    cheeky request for help: Been talking with afriend about the relationship between technology, class struggle and historical development. he's been reading some althusserian and critical realist stuff I think, stuff that's kind of technologically determinist - changes in forces if production shape history to put it crudely and I was saying that I thought it was the other way around - that class struggles shape the development and application of technology.

    He asked me for reading recommendations on this perspective but I can't think of any - I think my views on it are influenced mainly by discussions on here and maybe a bit from reading capital also. So I was wondering if anyone has anything to recommend - pretty sure this is the perspective the autonomists and people like that have taken so maybe butchersapron might know of something I could point him in the direction of? Thanks.
  15. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    This is the key text for that operaist/autonomist understanding:

    The capitalist use of machinery: Marx versus the objectivists - Raniero Panzieri, which really needs to be read alongside Surplus value and planning and Tronti-s Workers and Capital-post-script (these were among the first texts i ever put on line because i felt together they were so crucial). CSE Pamphlet #1 The Labour Process and Class Strategies is worth a dig around for - includes some of the above. Similar vein is Outlines of a Critique of Technology and Science, Technology, and the Labour Process. A modern application of the approach can be found in Cyber-Marx: Cycles and Circuits of Struggle in High Tech Capitalism - first half of this book is fantastic on this and would suggest a reading of the panzieri then onto this.

    edit: and of course another key one is Harry Braverman's Labor and Monopoly Capital: The Degradation of Work in the Twentieth Century - he does take a sort of deterministic position, but it's simple to read against this and ask just why capital goes to such lengths to deskill and to enclose specialist or technical knowledge.

    Oh yeah, part two of Caffentzis' recent collection In Letters of Blood and Fire: Work, Machines, and the Crisis of Capitalism
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  16. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls


    Another possibly useful one - second section talks about how workers resistance to work and the forms of top-down discipline bosses tried to impose drove technological developments to bypass them and fed into planned deskilling/enclosure of technical knowledge - i.e as result of political struggle rather than some objective unfolding process:
    Progress Without People: New Technology, Unemployment, and the Message of Resistance

    He also has this, could be used by your mate at a push, but not when read with the understanding from my other post of the bosses being driven to innovate due to class conflict - i.e being driven there by workers:

    Forces of Production: A Social History of Industrial Automation

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  17. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    SpineyNorman - Outlines of a Critique of Technology mentioned above now here
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  18. SpineyNorman

    SpineyNorman it was already like that when I got here

    Cheers mate really appreciate it
  19. maya

    maya timewasting fool (in every universe)

    the 'Close the IMF, Abolish Debt...' piece seems to be removed- links to all other articles working fine but that one seems to be gone... (It's actually linked to twice on the index page, but both links are dead :hmm: :( )
  20. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Can get it here.
  21. LeMoose

    LeMoose Banned Banned

    What is the best source to learn from in regards to the history of socialism?

    Start at Karl Marx and then read about the Russian revolution?
  22. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    Sorry for missing this earlier - there are many many introductions from the most basic to the most detailed, i'd suggest going with this one for starters then working around its limits - geographical/theoretical/historical perspective etc - but it will get you in the game at least: Forging Democracy: The History of the Left in Europe, 1850-2000 - Geoff Eley
  23. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    I'm looking for a book on the history of Russia - something fairly general and not too much of a doorstopper. Any recommendations?
  24. seventh bullet

    seventh bullet red mullet

    Apologies for sounding like a twat, but at what 'level' are you at/wanting to begin from?

    Also, what kind of history? The historiography has been heavily politicised, particularly covering the twentieth century for obvious reasons (the crossing of Russian, or Slavic, or Soviet studies with 'Sovietology'), and also the perhaps narrow preoccupations with Russia and the 'West,' questions of belonging or being cut off, of being advanced versus backward, etc. Basically, it can be a minefield which I won't pretend to have navigated well myself, aside from entertaining Xmas stocking fillers written by Tories. You could pick up Know Your Enemy: The Rise and Fall of America's Soviet Experts by David C. Engerman (got it as a pdf), which isn't exactly what you're after. It would be useful for some context in which diverse western (or specifically US) historians went about their work, though.
  25. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

    Yeah, I guessed it was a minefield. I don't really want strong pro/anti standpoints on the USSR*, and I don't want re-interpretations of the revolutions according to True Marxism or any bollocks like that. I'd also like it to go back at least to the beginning of the 'modern' period (flexibly interpreted) and possibly further. No Tories :D

    *I mean, I realise I can't get an objective take on it, but maybe a writer with enough restraint to bracket their own views a little while they discuss it.

    Edit: on the issue of level, pretty introductory - I would expect any book covering hundreds of years to be fairly basic.
  26. butchersapron

    butchersapron blood on the walls

    I've got no idea what you want after that.
  27. Brainaddict

    Brainaddict chief propagandist (provisional)

  28. seventh bullet

    seventh bullet red mullet

    You could do better than that, then. And it's going to be difficult re the revolution and USSR to get what you want (see, for example, Orlando Figes' 1000-page posh liberal whinge about civic-minded aristos and the Stolypin reforms being frustrated by an intransigent Tsarism, thus creating the conditions for a horrid revolution).

    You could try A History of Russia: Medieval, Modern, Contemporary, C. 882-1996 by Paul Dukes, and Russia: A History, edited by George L. Freeze. It's a different country but with an important shared past so you could also get Orest Subetlny's Ukraine: A History.

    With keeping in mind my previous post, then for a taste of how Russian development is seen from a certain western viewpoint, Richard Pipes' Russia under the Old Regime is a primer from the perspective of the authoritarian or 'statist' school. Similarly, Tibor Szamuely's The Russian Tradition.

    Here's the US historian book I mentioned earlier.
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  29. hot air baboon

    hot air baboon Well-Known Member

    ......this looks interesting....esp. as Nick Toczek's promised full scale follow-up to The Bigger Tory Vote is apparenrtly never going to see the light....

  30. Geoffrey Kerr

    Geoffrey Kerr Member

    A Peoples History Of The USA by Howard Zinn
    War And An Irish Town Eammon McCann

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