The Gnostic Gospels and Gibbon
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That's a good link that.
I've always been interested in something that's mentioned on that page, which is that one of the first recorded actions of "God" in the old testament is to lie to adam and eve, telling them that they'll die if they eat from the tree etc., which on the face of it can be reasonable support for the gnostic point of view that the spirit that masquerades as the god of this world, and is also its inept or malign creator, is not to be trusted. Not that I have any particularly firm belief in support of this... I just reckon that the prayers of people for God to save us from ourselves are not completely ineffectual, and yet people don't notice the answers provided, or don't like them.
It was also interesting to discover that though the faith of Israel ended up as monotheism, the original texts show God referred to by two different names, and the beings referred to by the two different names apparently having some notable differences in character or style.
I've always been interested in something that's mentioned on that page, which is that one of the first recorded actions of "God" in the old testament is to lie to adam and eve, telling them that they'll die if they eat from the tree etc., which on the face of it can be reasonable support for the gnostic point of view that the spirit that masquerades as the god of this world, and is also its inept or malign creator, is not to be trusted. Not that I have any particularly firm belief in support of this... I just reckon that the prayers of people for God to save us from ourselves are not completely ineffectual, and yet people don't notice the answers provided, or don't like them.
It was also interesting to discover that though the faith of Israel ended up as monotheism, the original texts show God referred to by two different names, and the beings referred to by the two different names apparently having some notable differences in character or style.
As far as I understand it, gnosticism simply means basically the path to truth is via knowledge, whereas established Pauline doctrine decrees, only by "believing", that is to say, what you are told by the established Church. Which Church would that be? Take your pick. However the split between the establishment and gnosticism was and still is, about control of the masses, Gnostics are free thinkers and therefore dangerous, hence the persecutions throughout the age. Was Jesus a Gnostic? No,he was not a "free thinker". Did he preach a new religion? No he did not, the religion he preached was the religion of pre Aknaton Egypt, that of The Father (Ra) and The Son (Osiris) which ultimately leads to knowledge of "self" (John 14:20 reflects this) This was the real reason the Jewish hierarchy hated him and why all that he taught was purged from history, along with all those who followed "The Way". However all this is about to change.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
mystic pyjamas
Don't call us,we'll call you.
Aw, you're such a tease.
rapattaque
At fighting weight
Exciting!
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Who was Jesus? Who is Jesus? There is no record that he ever existed. Yet he exists. Will he return? According to my research, he will. Which brings us back to, "Who is Jesus". Does he abide in me, you, everyone? No. Will he come into us? No. Read carefully John 14:20 (It's the one verse that sums it all up) "In that day" What day? No specific day. Read it as, "When the day comes that you wake up to the truth", which could be anytime. "You will know (emphasis on "know") that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you".
In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the deceased must (If he wishes to proceed further) first identify Osiris ("Lord of the resurrection" "Son of God", known by those who followed him as, "The Good Shepard") with Ra (As one and the same) eventually the deceased must identify himself with Osiris. (Be able to "see" this) At this point he/she is reunited with "The Father". The Truth will have set him/her free, that is to say he or she will no longer locked into the cycle of reincarnation.....He/she will have overcome death. Therefore I ask once again, who is this "Jesus".
Will he return? If we can see the truth of the above, then by "Return" me must place this in context, "an awakening" (resurrection of what was dead/dormant) among many, as described in the final chapter of The Book of Daniel. (Dust of the earth? You are dust" ("Genesis 4:19)
When? Well we are now at the very close of this age, the dawn of the, "Third day" being between the 22nd of this month and the spring of next year.(Yes that close) What do you think is happening now? I will tell you, the collapse of the old, that's what. So lets just watch events. Especially in the middle east? Whatever, everything as been on time so far this age.
In the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the deceased must (If he wishes to proceed further) first identify Osiris ("Lord of the resurrection" "Son of God", known by those who followed him as, "The Good Shepard") with Ra (As one and the same) eventually the deceased must identify himself with Osiris. (Be able to "see" this) At this point he/she is reunited with "The Father". The Truth will have set him/her free, that is to say he or she will no longer locked into the cycle of reincarnation.....He/she will have overcome death. Therefore I ask once again, who is this "Jesus".
Will he return? If we can see the truth of the above, then by "Return" me must place this in context, "an awakening" (resurrection of what was dead/dormant) among many, as described in the final chapter of The Book of Daniel. (Dust of the earth? You are dust" ("Genesis 4:19)
When? Well we are now at the very close of this age, the dawn of the, "Third day" being between the 22nd of this month and the spring of next year.(Yes that close) What do you think is happening now? I will tell you, the collapse of the old, that's what. So lets just watch events. Especially in the middle east? Whatever, everything as been on time so far this age.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Wrong!
How exactly did you work that one out then?
He/she will have overcome death...Please do not think I am saying, as do some, that we will from that day on, never die, the body will go the way of all flesh and blood, it will die. "You" however will not, "you" never have. "Death" is but a dark Vail we pass through at the point of death. When this vail has been lifted, "death" has been removed. While it is true, we will then no longer be required to reincarnate, is not to say we can not incarnate. The difference being, that the "risen" can choose to enter life if they so wish, at any time and often do, for example, to in some way or other protect, or assist, in the progress of mankind. And there are plenty doing just that.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
Jesus wept.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
this one cannot be for real, surely
What began at the autumnal equinox will continue though to the spring equinox, after which the markets will fall no further. however they will not begin to recover. The global economy will stay on the floor for probably at least a decade, two U.S. Presidential terms of office at least. The recovery, when it comes, will be American led, however America first has to make it's own recovery (Hence the delay) Yes I'm for real. It's just that with this sort of thing, prophecy with hindsight, tends to loose credibility. 
Have a good one.
Have a good one.butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Why?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
What began at the autumnal equinox will continue though to the spring equinox, after which the markets will fall no further. however they will not begin to recover. The global economy will stay on the floor for probably at least a decade, two U.S. Presidential terms of office at least. The recovery, when it comes, will be American led, however America first has to make it's own recovery (Hence the delay) Yes I'm for real. It's just that with this sort of thing, prophecy with hindsight, tends to loose credibility.
you smell of mysticism, but maybe I am misreading your writing style.
Dillinger4
Es gibt Zeit
I like mysticism, he is just mental.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
What began at the autumnal equinox will continue though to the spring equinox, after which the markets will fall no further. however they will not begin to recover. The global economy will stay on the floor for probably at least a decade, two U.S. Presidential terms of office at least. The recovery, when it comes, will be American led, however America first has to make it's own recovery (Hence the delay) Yes I'm for real. It's just that with this sort of thing, prophecy with hindsight, tends to loose credibility.
Peston - is that you? I've warned you about this before.
you smell of mysticism,....and is that a bad thing, considering that Christianity is a "Mystery religion"?
Why?....Before a new world order can emerge first the old must be got rid of....You can not put new wine in old wine skins, else the skins will split and the wine be lost....You can not repair an old coat using new material else when the new shrinks it will tear the old.
Why?....Before a new world order can emerge first the old must be got rid of....You can not put new wine in old wine skins, else the skins will split and the wine be lost....You can not repair an old coat using new material else when the new shrinks it will tear the old.
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