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The Ginormous New Shopping Centre at Shepherds Bush

Interesting to hear people's impressions. My nan's friend (who's 87) went last week and she said there was nowhere to sit down and she thinks Bluewater is better. Seems like it is aimed at the Notting Hill mob but I can't see it doing that well as the weeks go on, given the general slump in the High Street
 
everytime i see pics of that selfridges in brum i think..yeah ive GOT to see that!
that is possibly the coolest looking building ive ever seen:D
is the interior 1/2 as interesting as the exterior?

The problem with the Selfridges building in Brum is it's situated right on a bunch of choked, polluted, scuzzy six lane roads (it is Brum, after all) rather than majestically all on its own somewhere.

And a dept store is a bit of a waste for such a great design, IMO.
 
After struggling with the sparse signage, I finally found some loos. The women were having to queue. How do you build something which - surely - has to appeal to women at least as much, if not more, than men, then not provide enough women's loos? It was worse inside though... pools of urine on the floor, no paper towels, hand dryers all broken. And from the comments I heard outside, the piss-soaked floors thing had happened in the ladies too.
That's quite poor considering it's only just opened. Mind you I try to avoid public toilets where ever possible. They're always disgusting! And no way would I sit on a public toilet seat!
 
Interesting to hear people's impressions. My nan's friend (who's 87) went last week and she said there was nowhere to sit down and she thinks Bluewater is better. Seems like it is aimed at the Notting Hill mob but I can't see it doing that well as the weeks go on, given the general slump in the High Street

I actually don't mind Bluewater - In the past I've got the train out there on an evening and done all my xmas shopping in one go - it's open til ten weekdays as well and is pretty quiet after 8pm. I couldn't imagine xmas shopping at Westfield unless I was going to buy everyone clothes.

Bluewater had this theory that you should never be more than 100 yards from a cup of coffee. It's not like that in Westfield. It took me blimmin' ages to find somewhere to have a sandwich that wasn't going to cost over a tenner.

Edited to add: shopping is so soul destroying. Having done mine and feeling utterly rubbish, I think I've put my finger on it - shopping gives me the same feeling as a coke comedown used to. Not nice.
 
I popped in to Westfield this evening after work, and I have to say that it wasn't quite the appalling experience that I'd feared. It's at least reasonably open inside, though, walking from Shepherds Bush central line, you do tend to think "where the fuck _is_ everything? how am I suppose to find what I want?" as there are no obvious maps or guides until you get past a certain point. You're much better coming in from the Wood Green end.

It is still weird though. It isn't a real place. Everything is made out of shops.
 
Interesting to hear people's impressions. My nan's friend (who's 87) went last week and she said there was nowhere to sit down and she thinks Bluewater is better. Seems like it is aimed at the Notting Hill mob but I can't see it doing that well as the weeks go on, given the general slump in the High Street

One of the free London papers reported that since Westfield has opened, numbers on Oxford St etc are down 25%!! :eek:
 
Given that it's a three minute walk from my house I rather pleased I no longer have to go to Oxford Street which is possibly the worst shopping experience ever imho. Also I like the atrium restaurant walk bit. It's outside but covered so you can get fresh air (or smoke) while eating and never get rained on.
 
well, having said she wasn't going to go because its 'too big', my mum has been and loved it :rolleyes: though she didn't like the layout in marks and spencers and was disgusted at their lack of teapots in their cafe :D
 
Seems like it is aimed at the Notting Hill mob but I can't see it doing that well as the weeks go on, given the general slump in the High Street

do you think? i'd say its just not aimed at 87 year olds, in fairness. not to say they shouldn't go of course! i reckon it will do just fine, just all the nearby high streets (hammersmith, ealing) that will suffer
 
The problem with the Selfridges building in Brum is it's situated right on a bunch of choked, polluted, scuzzy six lane roads (it is Brum, after all) rather than majestically all on its own somewhere.

And a dept store is a bit of a waste for such a great design, IMO.

Sorry to disagree but your comment about the roads around Selfridges is a bit exaggerated, that's only on the Digbeth side and it's not that bad, the rest is bordered by the St Martins-in-the-Bull Ring church area which has been cleaned up and looks really good.

Also, there are far more choked and polluted roads in London than there are in Brum!
 
well, having said she wasn't going to go because its 'too big', my mum has been and loved it :rolleyes: though she didn't like the layout in marks and spencers and was disgusted at their lack of teapots in their cafe :D

I love mums -they are ace. When Harvey Nicks opened in Leeds everyones mum was in there in their best cardi, queuing up to buy identical Harvey Nichols tea caddies.
 
do you think? i'd say its just not aimed at 87 year olds, in fairness. not to say they shouldn't go of course! i reckon it will do just fine, just all the nearby high streets (hammersmith, ealing) that will suffer
I dunno really, haven't been. But I do think a lack of seating is going to exclude a certain amount of the population - old ladies and people with small kids. I shall have to go and have a look (after xmas and after sales so sometime in Feb :D)
 
I went on the weekend and it's impressive but have seen similar shopping centres in Australia where Westfield is big. I would choose the West End over this though, as the West End is more of a shopping experience.

Do look forward to the scrummaging come sales time. There could be some nasty falls on the escalators, but at least there's no benches to hinder your stride. :D
 
Going there with my mum and her mate next week to spend some of my birthday money! Malls tend to be better for my mum than high streets because of her ME... she's found Bluewater very good. She said it was suprisingly hard to find info about Shopmobility at Westfield, which is unsual, as most new malls are pretty good at prioritising it, so I hope this place is as good as Bluewater, which has lots of lifts and wide aisles for shopmobility buggies (although in our experience those go to pot before Xmas as everyone crams their shops full of stock).
 
Sorry to disagree but your comment about the roads around Selfridges is a bit exaggerated, that's only on the Digbeth side and it's not that bad, the rest is bordered by the St Martins-in-the-Bull Ring church area which has been cleaned up and looks really good.

Also, there are far more choked and polluted roads in London than there are in Brum!

Yeah, but that's the main side everyone takes the photos of the building from!
 
Well, went there yesterday. Confusing and expensive car parking aside (and they still charge disabled people the full whack, which seems a mite unfair, as it's not as if they have much choice about driving), a very good experience.

The designer-y bit is a rather sexy bit of design, though half of the shops there aren't open yet. I don't know if it can attract the shoppers they need. I do know some people who shop at that end of the spectrum and they tend to abhor malls, but I'm wondering if it's intended to aim more at the kind of people who can't really afford those places, but like to splash out using credit. In which case, they're pretty fucked because those are just the kind of people who are realising they can't spend like that any more.

Full marks for parent/baby facilities - big, clean, lots of rooms and cubicles, and even double loos for parents with kids who need some help.

And also good layout for mum getting around on her mobility scooter. The natural light and atmosphere controls were also good, so she didn't feel ill after 20 minutes as she does in some older malls.

There's also a slightly more unusual range of shops there, which I think was meant to be one of their USPs, but one can only imagine all those stores will proliferate elsewhere in time, making that less of an special attraction.

I liked the electronic mall maps that allowed you to look places up and gave directions in 'girl' - ie, 'Past Nike, past Topshop, turn left, past Zara' :D
 
I went there before christmas & have to say that i'll never be doing my shopping in the west end again! I thought it was great.

Having lots of free, clean, swanky toilets is a huge huge plus. It's so hard to find free toilets these days. And I love all the comfy chairs and sofas - so you can sit down and relax without having to actually buy food/drink for the 'privilege'.

The food bars there are quite amazing - but not cheap.

Pretty much all the high street shops and department stores you could wish for.
 

You'd have thought he could be bothered to research the place:

...has named itself with a stab-inthe-dark at heritage. A beacon statement and a portal to London's unplucked west of old suburbs; dormitory clusters.

Yeah...named after the Aussie company that own and built the thing, and who are also building the Olympic stuff...has nothing to do with it being in West London.

However, having hauled myself through the rest of his overblown prose, I'm not greatly surprised. Does Izzy Allen still edit the AJ? I remember when she was a freelance staff writer when Paul Finch was the Ed, and he'd never have allowed such a pseuds paradise of an article to infect the pages of the AJ - hell, even at his worst, Peter davey on the AR wouldn't have allowed drivel like this.

It is always funny tho, reading the words of someone 'cultured' experiencing the kind of shopping that a huge swathe of the population do once a month or more...
 
The AJ is currently edited by Kieran Long. He's a fairly young fellow. I actually met him once or twice some time ago through curious circumstances.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that article somewhat pseuds' corner. It somehow manages to make several rather obvious points in an entirely unnecessarily pretentious way. It lives up to many people's stereotype of architects disconnected from most folks experience of the built world. Except he's not even an architect.
 
You'd have thought he could be bothered to research the place:

Yeah...named after the Aussie company that own and built the thing, and who are also building the Olympic stuff...has nothing to do with it being in West London.

No, read it again :p He says 'sounds like' - and the rest of what he writes shows that he knows it's the brand name.

But I won't argue with the fact that Iain Sinclair is one of the most pretentious people on earth. I recently started London Orbital and found it fascinating at first, until he started talking about art :eek: My god, if he knew what a twat he can sound like he would probably consider a change of career to Westfield's PR chief, just to increase his levels of dignity and self-respect.

Also, that piece is pretty much shooting generically at all shopping malls, not at Westfields in particular. Not particularly interesting cos its all been said before.
 
The AJ is currently edited by Kieran Long.
Ginger guy? I think he used to be my neighbour in Brixton. When I met him and heard what his job was I started talking about how arrogant 'successful' architects couldn't give a toss what people want from buildings. He was never too friendly after that :hmm:

He also didn't like parties, so is a loser :p
 
^^ Not too dissimilar from my thoughts when I went to have a look last weekend.

I arrived by train on the newly designated "overground" line from Clapham Junction, at the new station which is functional but little more. Like you say, no Jubilee line type of attempt to create anything of any particular architectural merit. The same applies to the revamped Central Line Tube station just across the road.

IIRC the Shepherds Bush overground station on the West London Line was paid for by Westfield? The place doesn't even have a roof over the platforms, excellent logic from the developers, come to Westfield and do all your shopping under one roof, then get wet waiting for the train home :rolleyes:
 
I went past Westfield the other day ... I think this photo illustrates the sensitive and thoughtful way the building has been incorporated into its surroundings:

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Someone obviously spent a lot of time tweaking the facade facing the residential streets until it was just right. Well done!
 
The AJ is currently edited by Kieran Long. He's a fairly young fellow. I actually met him once or twice some time ago through curious circumstances.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who found that article somewhat pseuds' corner. It somehow manages to make several rather obvious points in an entirely unnecessarily pretentious way. It lives up to many people's stereotype of architects disconnected from most folks experience of the built world. Except he's not even an architect.

When I was working at Emap Construct on the AJ and AR, there were more architects on the ad sales teams than journalism staffers. IIRC, Paul Finch, Peter Davey and one other writer were actually qualified architects, the rest were design types with a strong interest in architecture...it made one of the building studies fun - I remember Finchy yelling across the office about some massive fuck up the writer had made about materials use on a house extension somewhere...
 
do you think? i'd say its just not aimed at 87 year olds, in fairness. not to say they shouldn't go of course! i reckon it will do just fine, just all the nearby high streets (hammersmith, ealing) that will suffer

Ealing is pretty shit, so it won't make much difference.

Hammersmith is pretty damn grotty too.
 
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