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The Garden Bridge

Discussion in 'London and the South East' started by tendril, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. tendril

    tendril And?

  2. Belushi

    Belushi 01 811 8055 R.I.P.

    I love the idea, hope it gets built.
     
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  3. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    great idea, but why no growth on the vertical surfaces? Living walls are one the of loveliest innovations of our time


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  4. _pH_

    _pH_ .

    I popped into Somerset House today as they had a consultation 'roadshow' thing on. Not much to see, but I had a chat with a guy from TfL about it.

    The main bridge supports will act as deep planters for the taller trees with lower planting on the rest of the bridge. There'll be benches etc. to sit on which will make it a nice place to have lunch. They can't have anything too tall (newbie) because of the Protected Views. It'll be funded without any public money (TfL are just managing the consultation) by a charitable trust. If all goes according to plan it'll be complete by 2017-18.
     
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  5. bi0boy

    bi0boy Power User

    Surely Bridge House Estates have enough cash to fund this or at least fund the ongoing maintenance?
     
  6. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    I wasn't suggesting anything tall, or a different shape, merely cladding the outside with plants rather than reconstituted stone or whatever.
     
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  7. _pH_

    _pH_ .

    Thomas Heatherwick might not want his nice bridge design covered in plants! I like the bridge, seems vaguely art nouveau. But if you think it'd look good clad in plants, put a response in to the consultation, you never know.
     
  8. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    I have. Plants and (encouragement for) birds to nest. There's a lot of fake stone, bronze effect metal and art nouveau around, both here and in every major city. Probably a few big bridges with trees and plants on top as well, somewhere in the world. But rather than build than one with obvious (and fairly mundane) structure below deck level, growing a living bridge would be truly inspiring.

    Mind, experts like the RHS and/or RSPB/BTO may not think it possible or liable to sustain in the longterm. But that's the point about boundaries, they're there to be pushed.
     
  9. Maurice Picarda

    Maurice Picarda Actually, might as well flounce.

    I like it as it is.
     
  10. _pH_

    _pH_ .

    To be fair, I think planting up the vertical surfaces of the bridge would be incredibly expensive in comparison to traditional planting not just in the establishment phase but afterwards too. It would be technically possible without doubt, but the majority of plants used in vertical planting schemes are not long lived, there's a requirement for regular replanting which is fine if the site is accessible from a MEWP, but the challenge involved in keeping it looking good on a bridge would be substantial, probably involving rope access teams. There's no public money going into this, the project is to be run by a charitable trust, so vertical planting could well be way outside their budget both short term and long term. And the key to successful planting is ensuring maintenance is financially sustainable in the long term.

    I know it's subjective, but personally I like the bridge as it is. Although I do like vertical planting schemes, and the greater use of greenery on buildings (like this).

    By the way, did you ever see the one they did outside the National Gallery of van Gogh's 'Wheatfield with Cypresses'? That was amazing!
     
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  11. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    yeah, I saw the thing outside the NG a few times, regretted that it wasn't somewhere I walked past every day, to see it change with growth.

    ok I take your point, the idea isn't overly practical. Such is life. :( :cool:
     
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  12. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    I love the idea but I honestly don't think we need a new bridge in Central London, I'd really like to see a new footbridge somewhere between Tower Bridge and North Greenwich to encourage more foot and bike travel and less cars on the road.
     
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  13. Maggot

    Maggot .

    That would cause a problem with the large ships - unless it was really high.
     
  14. Artaxerxes

    Artaxerxes Well-Known Member

    It would but there are limited crossings below Tower Bridge which I find a little annoying.
     
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  15. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here

    Some kind of lifting/swing bridge? It's the exact reason Tower Bridge was built as bascule bridge.
     
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  16. clicker

    clicker nanook rubs it....

    But a 'garden bridge' full of soil and trees and plants? Could it swing up and down without the whole lot just sliding off into the Thames?
     
  17. Manter

    Manter Lunch Mob

    Great image ;)
     
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  18. Winot

    Winot I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint

    It would have to be a 'hanging garden' like in Babylon.
     
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  19. Bungle73

    Bungle73 I was there, now I'm here

    I thought the conversation had expanded from the garden bridge to just "we need another river crossing in east London". In any case you could have a bridge with plants on either side, but a gap in the middle where the bridge raises to allow ships through Again, TB is like that, except without the plants.
     
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  20. I think it's sweet idea ;)
     
  21. plurker

    plurker tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo

    Ppl I know have been working on the planting /design side of it - I think it's a great idea myself; far more useful/practical than the Emirates line cable car!
     
  22. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    I like the idea, but it's a shame there's no cycle provision. Blackfriars and Waterloo bridges are horrible to cycle over.
     
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  23. _pH_

    _pH_ .

    Who's doing the planting design? They did say at the consultation, but I can't remember. Great project to work on though, I'm jealous.
     
  24. RedDragon

    RedDragon "I am not one of your fans!"

    Just close Southwalk bridge (no-one uses it and just one bus route crosses it) and buy loads of artificial plants - job done £10,000
     
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  25. plurker

    plurker tú no tienes la culpa mi amor que el mundo sea feo

    Dan Pearson Studio

    (agree on the cycle provision-lack though - would love to see a traffic-free ped/cycle only bridge.
     
  26. _pH_

    _pH_ .

    That's the one, cheers! Right up his street that sort of planting.
     
  27. Utopia

    Utopia "Jackanackanory"

  28. cybertect

    cybertect Now up West

    Much as I admire the vision, I'm rather befuddled by the fact that TfL are going to be shelling out between £30m and £38m from their transport budget, yet there will be no public right of way and it will be closed between midnight and 6 a.m.

    It's really a park that happens to run across the river, and should not be funded from the transport budget.

    And another missed opportunity of a motor-free crossing for bicycles.
     
  29. Crispy

    Crispy The following psytrance is baṉned: All

    Closed at night? No bike lane?
    Bah :(
     
  30. Utopia

    Utopia "Jackanackanory"

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