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Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. Rutita1

    Rutita1 Perfectly Flawed

    What, are you being a dick? JUST say what you think the left should be doing...it's quite a simple question.
     
    Last edited: Jul 13, 2017
  2. I thinks steps post is a good starting point.
     
  3. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    it means what it's meant every time anyone has proposed the same interventions anytime over the last decade or two.

    I'm no theorist, is 'fascism' actually an appropriate term for religiously inspired suicide bombers? Is it a blanket term now? Are far right and pro-Sharia economic and racial/nationalist policies similar enough that minor social policy differences (eg demanding to keep children as sex slaves, that women must cover every inch of their bodies and that alcohol be banned) can be glossed over?
     
  4. They're not inspired by religion, they're inspired by their politics. There's plenty of reading material out there that argues that ISIS (and Islamism) is fascism if you're interested.
     
  5. Pickman's model

    Pickman's model Every man and every woman is a star

    yeh. but what if they *are* inspired by their religion? from what you're saying, you know better than e.g. al-baghdadi what inspires him.

    just because there's lots of stuff saying 'isis (and islamism) is fascism' doesn't mean a) that it's right; b) that it's cogently argued; or c) that anyone should bother with it. there's lots and lots of stuff out there saying jesus is the son of god, but i see no reason to equate the quantity of it with the quality.
     
  6. It's obviously interwoven but that doesn't make it non political.
     
  7. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    a starting point, in 2017 that has so many echoes of both Prevent and EDL as to be distinguishable only in the fine detail
     
  8. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    No doubt, but I'll bet there are orders of magnitude more focusing on religion written and published by the the Sharia types themselves.
     
  9. Look your mind isn't going to be changed so why are you even posting on it?
     
  10. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    is yours?

    I've had my mind changed plenty of times by debates on here. I'm encouraging you and anyone else to stand up the proposition that's been made.

    If, as claimed, the public is worried and seeking political direction then this is an important issue to explore, no? Convince me there is an identifiable left position that can and should be articulated and that the working class would benefit from the left doing so.

    Or, it's just a bit of chatter on an obscure thread that will soon be lost.
     
  11. But I'm getting the impression that I'd be wasting my time. There's already been goal post shifting - I'm expected to do your leg work and define it as fascism, show that they organise publicly (and presumably where?) and this comes after pages of the worried public red herring. And you're just downplaying everything and I haven't got the stamina.
     
  12. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Surely it should be your leg work? If you think jihadism should be confronted like this , then lead the way.
     
  13. Surely, as an anti fascist, you'd already know the answer if you were worth your salt?
     
  14. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Do you want people to mobilise against them or not?
     
  15. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    you're making the definition, steps claimed the public is worried. I've made the mistake of querying when I should just accept what I read?

    It's only a waste of your time if the proposition(s) you two are trying to stand up have no substance. If your position amounts to anything, it's very important, surely. otherwise the far right will be able to mobilise public opinion in their own, somewhat dubious, way because there is a vacuum where the left alternative ought to be.
     
  16. Does AFN want guidance from me? :D
     
  17. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    I'm not the AFN. In any case if you think this kind of mobilisation is a priority then you know what to do, all the rest is just hot air.
     
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  18. True.
     
  19. The39thStep

    The39thStep Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbour?

    I'll add 'I think the claim the public are worried is overstated' to the rest of your 'query'
     
  20. Nice one

    Nice one Well-Known Member

    always a pleasure reading
     
  21. RD2003

    RD2003 Well-Known Member

    There is only one, and that is to oppose fascistic Islamism even harder than the far right does-and to do it from the position of insisting that this is not racism, while pouring contempt on the Trot/liberal dinosaurs who try to claim that it is.

    Your claim that nobody is worried about the actions and apparent strategy of these fucking fruitcakes is incredible, by the way.
     

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