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The Football Lads Alliance

Discussion in 'football' started by editor, Jul 3, 2017.

  1. killer b

    killer b Ennui Rollins

    There's some good points in there tbh - just a bit weird to get in some digs against posters on this thread for having opinions they don't appear to have - almost as if whoever wrote that post hasn't actually read the thread. Ironic, considering the topic.
     
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  2. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    I'm afraid it lost all credibility for me at that point. It's not pleasant seeing posters (and this discussion) being misrepresented so unfairly.
     
  3. killer b

    killer b Ennui Rollins

    I'd imagine that, instead of reading the whole 16-page thread, they'll have taken LiamO 's word about what he was responding to tbh. Not sure why Liam would want to misrepresent what was being said though. Maybe he could explain what's happened there?
     
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  4. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Indeed. I wonder why they've come to the conclusion that

     
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  5. killer b

    killer b Ennui Rollins

    It couldn't be that Liam lied to his mates in Red Action about the content of this discussion to score cheap points against people here could it? Can't be.
     
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  6. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Did they just chance upon your post LiamO?
     
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  7. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    Yes, I'm looking forward to his explanation why he chose to deviously misrepresent people's views here.
     
  8. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    A couple of things:

    First - from the FB page in question - "RED ACTION NO LONGER EXISTS AS A FORMAL POLITICAL ORGANISATION. THIS PAGE IS EDITED BY FORMER MEMBERS OF RED ACTION". Worth just remembering that at this point.

    Second - I think LiamO's post is a valid, and important, reminder of the role "football lads" have played in the past, and the importance of not dismissing stuff because of their involvement.

    However, there seem to be different arguments getting mixed up here. Whether the FLA is racist/fascist etc. and should be opposed by anti-fascists versus whether jihadism is fascist and should be opposed by anti-fascists versus whether the FLA can oppose the jihadis in a similar manner to how the dash were opposed by RA/AFA in the 70s,80s and 90s versus a bunch of other stuff getting dragged into the mix.
     
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  9. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    Noticing my typo in the post above has led me to a wave of "inspiration"...

    Baesh the Daesh

    Anti-Daeshist Action

    Beating the Daeshists

    ...and so on.

    You're welcome.
     
  10. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    Anti fascists are already opposing Da'esh/ISIS by travelling to Syria and joining the YPG. Not enough is perhaps made of the fact that some people who were scrapping with the EDL a couple of years ago are now advancing on Raqqa.
     
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  11. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    So it's possibly just one person then and thus carries no more weight than someone posting here.
     
  12. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    I don't know the answer to this so don't shoot me, but is there any evidence that it's only anti-fascists doing that? Is it possible that people on the EDL side of those protests are also advancing on Raqqa, (not necessarily in the same units)?
     
  13. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    I don't know.

    That's the point.

    It might be.

    It might equally be a core of RA's cadre remain in touch and manage the FB page collectively.

    Confirmation isn't really going to happen either way. Is it?
     
  14. ddraig

    ddraig dros ben llestri

    lol!! would love to see evidence of that, not been offered any in the past when brought the fact it is anti-fascists out there actually doing the do
     
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  15. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    Not really a strategy that many anti-fascists in the U.K. can usefully adopt though is it?

    Nor is it challenging the growth of jihadism in w/c communities here either is it?
     
  16. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    If they're producing as stuff as sloppy and as ill informed as that last piece, I'll be giving them a miss.
     
  17. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    There have been right wingers out there. They guy who originally set Pegida up (Timothy Scott?) had been out there. Apparently some right wingers from the states have joined Iraqi Christian militias on finding out what a bunch of pinkoes the Kurds were!
     
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  18. Red Sky

    Red Sky It was like that when I got here.

    But it does illustrate pretty neatly where UK anti fascists stand on jihadism. The myth on the right (and in some sections of the Left it seems) is that anti fascists are tolerant of jihadism for fear of being called racists. That is emphatically not the case.

    In my case I always thought that standing together with victimised Muslims against the EDL was also an act against jihadism.
     
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  19. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    The piece itself is good, for what it is. A reminder from history that we should be mindful of in these discussions.

    Its pitching it as a response to something that hasn't happened that's disappointing. And unnecessary.
     
  20. editor

    editor Taffus Maximus

    But by framing around a gross misrepresentation/personal beef, it renders the whole piece untrustworthy and easy to dismiss.
     
  21. chilango

    chilango By the many, not the few.

    Again, I think there is confusion (not by you) at large here.

    That undoubtedly sections of the Left have at times been too tolerant of Islamists ≠ Anti fascists are too tolerant of jihadism.

    It's a lazy conflation. And a convenient one for some from all sides. Doesn't really stand up though, does it?
     
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  22. newbie

    newbie undisambiguated

    cheers. reinforces my thought that this really isn't that much of a left/right issue. Except....

    yes. Racists will be racist and try to exploit anything they can.
     
  23. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    correctomundo, so I believe.
     
  24. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    lol
     
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  25. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    I spoke to no-one.

    In fact I haven't spoken to anybody likely to be running that FB page in mebbe two years. I'm sure I was told who was modding it whenever it was set up. It popped up on my fb - as every post there does.
     
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  26. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    Cos they can't read themselves?
     
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  27. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Do you think this is accurate LiamO

     
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  28. LiamO

    LiamO Share the love

    Pure fantasy.

    And the whining about misrepresetation is a bit rich coming from some of the people on here who deliberately misrepresented Magnus McGinty's position
     
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  29. bimble

    bimble Is it Spring yet?

    Anyone who uses 'penned' is not worth taking seriously.
     
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  30. MadeInBedlam

    MadeInBedlam 'He bloody well thinks he's staff!'

    Lol
     
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