The extra-parliamentary left & anti-Semitism

[Shechemite]

The goyim know..,

 

[chilango]

The revolutionary left doubles down. Some of it no problem, some of it true, but it’s not likely to help Labour get out of a hole. Sure you don’t give up on people, but can Labour afford Beeley sympathisers who don’t know when to give it a rest?

Chris Williamson’s suspension must be opposed

This made me laugh - although perhaps I should take more seriously the dangers of running dogs in the AWL

Defend Corbyn against the AWL

Parking these here for future reference.

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

Parking these here for future reference.

Listening to and reading the views of a whole range of former comrades and colleagues across various campaigns and movements these days is like being in the last few scenes of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. The blinkered adherence to a narrative, the conspiraloonery, the defence of self serving idiots and demagogues on partisan grounds, the rank tribalism, the lack of any critical thought or nuance is shocking. How the hell did we get here?

 

[Shechemite]

Listening to and reading the views of a whole range of former comrades and colleagues across various campaigns and movements these days is like being in the last few scenes of Invasion of the Bodysnatchers. The blinkered adherence to a narrative, the conspiraloonery, the defence of self serving idiots and demagogues on partisan grounds, the rank tribalism, the lack of any critical thought or nuance is shocking. How the hell did we get here?

An increasing cruel and coercive ruling class, and a consequent increase of atomisation, devastation of communities, loss of collective working class confidence.

In my memory (born in the 80s) this has accelerated since the crisis of the late 2000s

 

[Shechemite]

If indeed there is a ‘disturbingly antisemitic culture’ in the UK, why would coverage of that culture be something that the BBC would need to ‘spring on us’? The ‘disturbingly antisemtic culture’ that Graeber refers to is scandalous by its nature, isn’t it? The BBC would be right to cover this, surely? And why the BBC be the ones to ‘spring [an antisemitism scandal] on us’?

 

[rekil]

Eddie Dempsey attacking someone by blurting out something about "Soros money". I'm sure being Beeley's doorman and piping Patrick Henningsen's twitter machine lunacy straight into his brain has nothing to do with his application of this particular meme.

 

[rekil]

This horrendous prick is mates with loads of the anti-fracking crowd.

The Website of Ian R Crane

Ian R Crane (@IanRCrane) on Twitter

I'd suggest you put on sunglasses before you have a look at his website.

Good fucking riddance.

 

[tim]

Good fucking riddance.

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The authorities are denying him access to water, according to the interview. To be more precise they won't let him get bottled water (and ice-cream) couriered in from outside and he doesn't like NHS water. He's also terrified that his death will go on the fake Covid 19 statistics. Odd that he's got cancer as further up this thread he's protesting in support of someone who has invented a cure for it.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

This tweet from the official twitter account for UKBLM. Not sure who runs this organisation, they have no website and are apparently not affiliated to the US org. Anyway, obviously the use of the word ‘gagged’ is very poorly advised here.

 

[danny la rouge]

obviously the use of the word ‘gagged’ is very poorly advised here.

It’s certainly grammatically painful.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

It’s certainly grammatically painful.

I worry that twitter is making people functionally illiterate. Imagine being a spokesperson for a supposedly national organisation and fucking up such a short statement.

 

[Shechemite]

who are ‘BLM UK’?

 

[Pickman's model]

who are ‘BLM UK’?

Black lives matter uk I suppose

 

[Shechemite]

Good man

 

[bimble]

That tweet up there has turned my twitter into a worse more depressing cesspit than it’s been for quite a long time. Really grim abuse being sent to a couple of black jews I follow on there who wrote critically of it and all day long I’ve had this:
which is always a good sign.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Good news everyone! Ian Crane is dead

 

[Serge Forward]

Good news everyone! Ian Crane is dead

Who he?

 

[SpookyFrank]

Who he?

Third-rate David Icke wannabe, discussed earlier in this thread.

 

[Dom Traynor]

Who he?

Just look a few posts up this thread

 

[danny la rouge]

Who he?

The extra-parliamentary left & anti-Semitism

Thread for keeping track of shit popping up outside and to the left of the Labour Party.

www.urban75.net

 

[Serge Forward]

Eww... so clearly a proper cunt then.

 

[rekil]

Bilking until the end.

 

[Shechemite]

This cheered me up

 

[Jeff Robinson]

The "Jewish Billionaire class" eh Norm?

Finkelstein has gotten a lot of positive coverage from leftists recently as a result of his full-throated defence of the people of Gaza against brutal Israeli violence. However, when you look at this guy's broader politics, they stink. He recently defended the "moral right" of Russia to invade Ukraine, and just spouted out all the Kremlin bullshit propaganda about the Ukrainian government being illegitimate and nazis and 'its all Nato's fault"


In a meeting full of cranks he praised holocaust denier David Irving as a "very good historian" and defended the classification of jews as 'christ killers':

The failings of Finkelstein

Norman Finkelstein has always been a loose cannon. His sometimes insightful political and historical analysis is invariably undermined by…

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He seems to be - or have devolved to be - your common-or-garden red-brown 'anti-imperialist' crank.

 

[GroovySunday]

The "Jewish Billionaire class" eh Norm?

Finkelstein has gotten a lot of positive coverage from leftists recently as a result of his full-throated defence of the people of Gaza against brutal Israeli violence. However, when you look at this guy's broader politics, they stink. He recently defended the "moral right" of Russia to invade Ukraine, and just spouted out all the Kremlin bullshit propaganda about the Ukrainian government being illegitimate and nazis and 'its all Nato's fault"


In a meeting full of cranks he praised holocaust denier David Irving as a "very good historian" and defended the classification of jews as 'christ killers':

The failings of Finkelstein

Norman Finkelstein has always been a loose cannon. His sometimes insightful political and historical analysis is invariably undermined by…

medium.com

He seems to be - or have devolved to be - your common-or-garden red-brown 'anti-imperialist' crank.

That article looks like a hit piece to me. I'd check out the primary source and listen properly to everything Finkelstein actually said and the points he was making in the proper context before rushing to judgement. He was clearly arguing for free expression and against censorship, not trying to spread antisemitism or any other kind of bigotry. Noam Chomsky has made the very same case about free expression. I have to wonder why you didn't provide the primary source because important stuff that Finkelstein said in that discussion is omitted from that article. At one point he says "I don't know if Jews killed Christ or not and frankly I don't care." And he said that Irving "knew a thing or two" in reference to his book about Goebbels, which he read. Well in my view he was clumsy calling him a 'very good historian' but isn't he entitled to his own opinion that he knew a thing or two?

Using the term "jewish billionaire class" is perhaps clumsy I guess, but nothing more. I'd imagine he's referring to Zionist billionaires who are jewish. I very much doubt he believes theres a secret cabal of them pulling the strings tho. Personally, I'm much more concerned about innocent civilians being massacred by the IDF at this time aswell. And Finkelstein is clearly knowledgeable when it comes to Israel/Palestine, and provides useful information on that topic.

And I mean, are you actually claiming that a guy who lost his entire family in the holocaust is an antisemite?

As for his views regarding Ukraine and Russia, I personally think he's wrong.

This is the primary source. Finkelstein starts talking at about 1:05 and the bits mentioned begin at about 1:18. I don't think he said anything antisemitic, he simply argues against censorship.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

That article looks like a hit piece to me. I'd check out the primary source and listen properly to everything Finkelstein actually said and the points he was making before rushing to judgement. He was clearly arguing for free expression and against censorship, not trying to spread antisemitism or any other kind of bigotry. Noam Chomsky has made the very same case about free expression. I have to wonder why you didn't provide the primary source because important stuff that Finkelstein said in that discussion is omitted from that article. At one point he says "I don't know if Jews killed Christ or not and frankly I don't care." And he said that Irving "knew a thing or two" in reference to his book about Goebbels, which he read. Well in my view he was clumsy calling him a 'very good historian' but isn't he entitled to his own opinion that he knew a thing or two?

Using the term "jewish billionaire class" is perhaps clumsy I guess, but nothing more. I'd imagine he's referring to Zionist billionaires who are jewish. I very much doubt he believes theres a secret cabal of them pulling the strings tho. Personally, I'm much more concerned about innocent civilians being massacred by the IDF at this time aswell. And Finkelstein is clearly knowledgeable when it comes to Israel/Palestine, and provides useful information on that topic.

And I mean, are you actually claiming that a guy who lost his entire family in the holocaust is an antisemite?

As for his views regarding Ukraine and Russia, I personally think he's wrong.

This is the primary source. Finkelstein starts talking at about 1:05 and the bits mentioned begin at about 1:18. I don't think he said anything antisemitic, he simply argues against censorship.

I wonder which account this sad cunt is sock puppet for?

 

[bellaozzydog]

I wonder which account this sad cunt is sock puppet for?

Crush that dissent

 

[tim]

That article looks like a hit piece to me. I'd check out the primary source and listen properly to everything Finkelstein actually said and the points he was making before rushing to judgement. He was clearly arguing for free expression and against censorship, not trying to spread antisemitism or any other kind of bigotry. Noam Chomsky has made the very same case about free expression. I have to wonder why you didn't provide the primary source because important stuff that Finkelstein said in that discussion is omitted from that article. At one point he says "I don't know if Jews killed Christ or not and frankly I don't care." And he said that Irving "knew a thing or two" in reference to his book about Goebbels, which he read. Well in my view he was clumsy calling him a 'very good historian' but isn't he entitled to his own opinion that he knew a thing or two?

Using the term "jewish billionaire class" is perhaps clumsy I guess, but nothing more. I'd imagine he's referring to Zionist billionaires who are jewish. I very much doubt he believes theres a secret cabal of them pulling the strings tho. Personally, I'm much more concerned about innocent civilians being massacred by the IDF at this time aswell. And Finkelstein is clearly knowledgeable when it comes to Israel/Palestine, and provides useful information on that topic.

And I mean, are you actually claiming that a guy who lost his entire family in the holocaust is an antisemite?

As for his views regarding Ukraine and Russia, I personally think he's wrong.

This is the primary source. Finkelstein starts talking at about 1:05 and the bits mentioned begin at about 1:18. I don't think he said anything antisemitic, he simply argues against censorship.

Proving that he's not an antiSemite by sharing a platform with Chris Williamson and David Miller who make bizarre antiSemitic broadcasts on their weekly broadcast on an Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting station. From them, I learnt that Odessa was founded in the 18th Century by nefarious Jewish settlers; and that the women beaten, shot, gaoled and executed for demonstrating for their rights in Iran over the past two years were subversive Zionist agents.

 

[GroovySunday]

Proving that he's not an antiSemite by sharing a platform with Chris Williamson and David Miller who make bizarre antiSemitic broadcasts on their weekly broadcast on an Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting station. From them, I learnt that Odessa was founded in the 18th Century by nefarious Jewish settlers; and that the women beaten, shot, gaoled and executed for demonstrating for their rights in Iran over the past two years were subversive Zionist agents.

I can't say that I like the politics of those people, but the fact remains that the article is a hit piece and that Finkelstein didn't say anything bigoted.

 

[GroovySunday]

I wonder which account this sad cunt is sock puppet for?

Yeah, it can't be a nice experience being caught out, but it really is pathetic that the best you can do is hurl insults instead of providing any kind of counter-argument.