The execution of Gary Glitter

[john x]

Anyone else feel a bit sorry for glitter when he swung. I know he's a nonce and all, but still...

The problem with those hangers and floggers who try to use a moral argument for capital punishment is that at the moment of execution, you remove the line between yourself and the person killed. You then have no moral highground to shout from.

In Gary Glitter's case you then become morally inferior to him, as whatever he has done he has not killed anyone but you have!

john x

 

[Gingerman]

The one thing that came outa this docu is that Gary Bushell is still a fuckin cunt, lets hope one day he is wrongly accused of say murder next time hes in a country thats got the DP and see how he feels then about the threat of execution.

 

[Maggot]

Lots of the footage used in the programme was real. I recognised some of the the demo shots from the G20 earlier this year.

 

[bromley]

Very very strange programme, I did enjoy it though.

The music journalist was as bad as Bushell, I was like, wooo, they called in glitter to the stand...

Is Ann Widdecombe really pro Death Penalty?


Personally I believe that rape & paedophilia are worse than murder and that people can't change what they find attractive and keeping prisoners locked up for life is very expensive, prisions are currently overcrowded...

 

[Orang Utan]

why is frank dobson britain's next executuioner?


that was depressing stuff.

 

[RaverDrew]

Did no-one else find it outstandingly funny then ?

It was so ridiculous, there's no way you could take it serious.

I mean come on, "The Gary Glitter mash-up remix made up of excerpts from his testimony in court" wtf ?

 

[Orang Utan]

i'm glad it made people feel sorry for gary glitter.

 

[RaverDrew]

i'm glad it made people feel sorry for gary glitter.

Do you mean "Gary Glitter" the fictional character in this program, or "Gary Glitter" the real-life sex offender ?

 

[Orang Utan]

either

 

[MikeMcc]

Did no-one else find it outstandingly funny then ?

It was so ridiculous, there's no way you could take it serious.

I mean come on, "The Gary Glitter mash-up remix made up of excerpts from his testimony in court" wtf ?

I did choke at the 'really big with 10 year olds' line - a sick sense of humour!

 

[girasol]

Lots of the footage used in the programme was real. I recognised some of the the demo shots from the G20 earlier this year.

ah, I thought it might be. The interviews with people 'for' the death penalty looked real too.

Personally I believe that rape & paedophilia are worse than murder and that people can't change what they find attractive and keeping prisoners locked up for life is very expensive, prisions are currently overcrowded...

rape & paedophilia aren't 'worse' than murder. It's possible to recover from those as you're still alive.

 

[JohnnyOrange]

Anyone else feel a bit sorry for glitter when he swung. I know he's a nonce and all, but still...

yes. Even felt a twinge for Saddam when I saw him swing. Another reason I don't like the death penalty.

Me too. I think this was why they used Glitter instead of Huntley as someone mentioned earlier - because he's a household name that viewers were more likely to have some sympathy for.

I mean come on, "The Gary Glitter mash-up remix made up of excerpts from his testimony in court" wtf ?

Yes, that was shit. A shame, because the idea of him hearing one of his songs and taking heart from it being utterly smashed was a good one - just could have been done better.

One thing made me jump a little - when it was mentioned that the bookcase in his cell was actually a door straight to the noose. Imagining it opening and realising that death was coming in the next 30 seconds made me feel a little sick.

I think it could have been done better in parts, but I thought it was a good effort.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Me too. I think this was why they used Glitter instead of Huntley as someone mentioned earlier - because he's a household name that viewers were more likely to have some sympathy for.

Which was why the programme was intellectually dishonest in its stated aim of "starting a debate". Capital punishment, if it returned, would be for the Huntleys rather than the Glitters.

One thing made me jump a little - when it was mentioned that the bookcase in his cell was actually a door straight to the noose. Imagining it opening and realising that death was coming in the next 30 seconds made me feel a little sick.

I think it could have been done better in parts, but I thought it was a good effort.

Odd, there was a whole discussion about this on Urban a couple of days ago. This is exactly how it was done.

 

[Orang Utan]

i'm glad it was made if it will make a few people think about the death penalty and help change their minds.

 

[girasol]

Me too. I think this was why they used Glitter instead of Huntley as someone mentioned earlier - because he's a household name that viewers were more likely to have some sympathy for.

Yep, that was me, and yes it probably wouldn't have worked - it would have been very difficult to sympathise with him, and also his crime was a *lot* worse than Glitter's IMO.

But it would also been a much bigger challenge, to make people still see that the death penalty is wrong, even when it comes to people like Huntley.

 

[john x]

Personally I believe that rape & paedophilia are worse than murder

Don't be so stupid!

If you asked 100 people if, given no other choice, would they prefer to be raped, fiddled with, or murdered, how many do you think would elect to be murdered?

john x

 

[Orang Utan]

Don't be so stupid!

If you asked 100 people if, given no other choice, would they prefer to be raped, fiddled with, or murdered, how many do you think would elect to be murdered?

john x

i might as well go out with a bang, so all three please

 

[London_Calling]

I watched the first half imagining the heads of human rights lawyers exploding at the notion of trials in this country of UK nationals for capital offences committed within the jurisdiction of second countries against nationals of the second country. Then I had to stop watching for fear of same.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

I watched the first half imagining the heads of human rights lawyers exploding at the notion of trials in this country of UK nationals for capital offences committed within the jurisdiction of second countries against nationals of the second country.

Wouldn't they have been a bit muddled anyway at the solicitor doubling up as a barrister at the Old Bailey?

 

[JohnnyOrange]

Which was why the programme was intellectually dishonest in its stated aim of "starting a debate". Capital punishment, if it returned, would be for the Huntleys rather than the Glitters.

Yep, that was me, and yes it probably wouldn't have worked - it would have been very difficult to sympathise with him, and also his crime was a *lot* worse than Glitter's IMO.

But it would also been a much bigger challenge, to make people still see that the death penalty is wrong, even when it comes to people like Huntley.

I kind of agree. I think you've got to start with the Glitters as opposed to the Huntleys because the former has been in the public consciousness for decades for being something other than a paedophile, and his crime wasn't as bad. Somebody sitting on the fence regarding capital punishment (if such people exist) would be more likely to change their mind from here rather than if Huntley had been the subject.

Odd, there was a whole discussion about this on Urban a couple of days ago. This is exactly how it was done.

Must have missed that. It was the first time that the programme really gripped me - which has more to do with the process than the dramatisation, TBH.

i'm glad it was made if it will make a few people think about the death penalty and help change their minds.

Indeed. Just making it less of an 'us' and 'them' argument would be better. As long as 'we' still have our way, obv.

 

[JohnnyOrange]

Wouldn't they have been a bit muddled anyway at the solicitor doubling up as a barrister at the Old Bailey?

And his summing up was shit regarding the death penalty. If I was Glitter I would have asked for 31 days to pay.

 

[peacepete]

has anyone else noted that this is the second of two poor quality handlings of massively serious political issues that C4 are airing at the moment.

I watched the first episode of science's last taboo, which was depressingly awful.

Channel 4 have just found a new way of packaging sensationalist reactionary nonsense - by cloaking it in some assumed liberalness.

 

[London_Calling]

Wouldn't they have been a bit muddled anyway at the solicitor doubling up as a barrister at the Old Bailey?

It's standard practice now for Legal Aid work*.




* may not be true

 

[Orang Utan]

has anyone else noted that this is the second of two poor quality handlings of massively serious political issues that C4 are airing at the moment.

I watched the first episode of science's last taboo, which was depressingly awful.

Channel 4 have just found a new way of packaging sensationalist reactionary nonsense - by cloaking it in some assumed liberalness.

what did you think was reactionary about the glitter programme?

 

[The Octagon]

Wrong perhaps, but right at the end I couldn't stop myself from humming the theme to Trapdoor.

Bizarre programme.

 

[john x]

has anyone else noted that this is the second of two poor quality handlings of massively serious political issues that C4 are airing at the moment.

Get used to it.

If, as seems likely C4 is combined with Five it will get much, much worse.

Shame, as C4 used to be a cracking channel in the old days.

john x

 

[geoff64]

During the court case they referred to Gadd's children. Does he really have kids? How the fuck would they feel about this prog?

Found the whole thing quease-making (though I did watch it all).

Told me less how I feel about the death penalty and more how I feel about sensation-seeking fuckwit commissioners at C4.

 

[RaverDrew]

Comedy gold

 

[bazzer]

OT for a sec , this reminded me of the execution scene in "Let Him Have It",
probably upset me more than any other film I can remember seeing.

One thing made me jump a little - when it was mentioned that the bookcase in his cell was actually a door straight to the noose. Imagining it opening and realising that death was coming in the next 30 seconds made me feel a little sick.

Yes he does, when we lived in Brixton my mum was a dinner lady at his sons school during the early-mid 70s.

During the court case they referred to Gadd's children. Does he really have kids? How the fuck would they feel about this prog?