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I thought at first they'd come just on the week his voice was breaking but when they returned a while later it was still like that :confused:
 
8ball said:
This is the bit I take issue with. This programme was running with the idea of "one sociopath manipulating a lot of lost and deluded people" model of the cult. From what I've read it's all a little more complex than that, with a good portion of the initiative, and often the interpretation of events which comes to create their 'world' coming from the followers themselves.

I think to keep giving this impression is why there was so much focus on the younger members of the group, whereas if more attention had been paid to the older, more powerful, members, the picture would not have been so simple.
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I don't see what's so complex about it, that's what a cult is, it's some cunt manipulating others and just for the record, I also feel the same way about kids being brought up in strictly religious households and not being given the opportunity to question it. Why would it have not been so simple if the older people had been focused more on? I reckon they would've said the same thing, "Michael is the messiah" his own son, a fully grown man, believed it and so did his "witnesses" by their hanging on his every word.

I take your point but come on, he's a fucking nutter, that staring thing he did when he was challenged, anyone who thinks they're the son of god is a deluded fool at best. The whole "God told me to fuck my son's wife" line, that's hardly the interpretation of the followers, that's him manipulating them for his own personal gain, i'm sorry but there is nothing complex about it he's a nasty, manipulative bastard.
 
The 'nasty man manipulates deluded followers' always sells better - nice, simple and tidy.
The 'central person' (where there is one) generally is a manipulative egomaniac, but don't you think there's an unanswered question as to what the followers are getting from it?

The thing that amazes me most about these 'apocalyptic' cults is the way they commonly survive the 'expiry date' (you get to hear disproportionately about the exceptions). It will be interesting if a follow-up is done in a year's time.
 
8ball said:
The 'nasty man manipulates deluded followers' always sells better - nice, simple and tidy.
The 'central person' (where there is one) generally is a manipulative egomaniac, but don't you think there's an unanswered question as to what the followers are getting from it?

The thing that amazes me most about these 'apocalyptic' cults is the way they commonly survive the 'expiry date' (you get to hear disproportionately about the exceptions). It will be interesting if a follow-up is done in a year's time.
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I believe they get the same out of it as any religious person does and that's hope, hope that there's something else, hope that their part of something important. Why do they survive after the expirary date? maybe out of embarrassment or maybe they're so far into it they still cling to the belief, or maybe they're so disconnected from the real world they wouldn't know how to go back. Prime example are the kids in it, they're so disconnected and so indoctrinated it will take them a very long time to function in the real world, that's assuming they will be able to of course, I don't think they will ever be able to and that's the saddest thing about it.
 
The teenager was watching this and kept coming to tell me about it. I couldn't think of anything I'd less like to watch tbh. Sounded dreadful. :(
 
Why was it *so* bad? I mean to the point you all got upset?

I missed it but hope to watch it online somewhere, any ideas where?
 
I tried to watch it but frankly the constant extreme close-ups of the beardy fella gave me the willies. Which I found a bit transparent by the makers :rolleyes: So I turned over and watched the even worse Oceans 12.

What happened on Nov 1st? Did he proclaim that he was reborn and everything had gone exactly as predicted?
 
What a sick, nasty, ego maniac, controlling evil man. I felt really sorry for the parents who couldn't persuade their daughter to come home from the cult.

I got the impression the son was shit scared of his Dad and would be very relieved if he was to die or something as he just seemed completely controlled by him but not at his will. He nearly cracked at some point during the interview - poor man. Very, very sad story.
 
zenie said:
Why was it *so* bad? I mean to the point you all got upset?

I missed it but hope to watch it online somewhere, any ideas where?
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it was the children that really got to me, not allowed education or any kind of life outside the cult. Most of their parents had left but the kids were so indoctrinated that they wanted to stay :(

Plus the part where the girls "were told by God" to be naked with him, some of them were underage. At that point i began to feel physically sick.

He is a repulsive predatory man.
 
I watched this also.

The children staying when the parents had left bothered me the most. And the children who were taken away by their parents and decided that they still wanted to go back and the parents had to sign custody over to the childrens grandparents who were still cult members, that was very sad.

Wacko in the USA .. and gullible .. does not surprise me too much, very sad that such things take place so often.

The kids should definately have been in school.
 
5t3IIa said:
Really?! Arf! When did he tell them that? The morning of Nov 1st? Or late on Oct 31st?
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Basically on 31st October they all came out in the middle of the night shouting "liberty", all grinning and staring at each other in that cultish way. Just as suddenly they went back indoors. The film maker rang later and the son told him he'd fixed a new date.:D
 
I don't understand why the kids were allowed to stay in the cult.If they're kids they have to go with their parents right? and if they don't then how come the social services weren't in there?

The 14 year old girls parents had obviously told the police they suspected child abuse and yet fuck all was done about it and then later on she returned to the camp.
 
Part2 said:
Basically on 31st October they all came out in the middle of the night shouting "liberty", all grinning and staring at each other in that cultish way. Just as suddenly they went back indoors. The film maker rang later and the son told him he'd fixed a new date.:D
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It's funny, and not :D
 
Let's hope he's not right about Saturday.

What I don't understand is why the mother had to sign the kids over to the grandparents, did she say she was pressured into doing so? or was it because the girl went on hunger strike etc..

the way he described when Father told him he had to consumate with his sons wife was fucking ridiculous.

I felt sorry for the boy, who looked like firky, as he seemed on the outskirts of it all, I suppose cos Michael didn't want to consumate with him.
 
8ball said:
This is the bit I take issue with. This programme was running with the idea of "one sociopath manipulating a lot of lost and deluded people" model of the cult. From what I've read it's all a little more complex than that, with a good portion of the initiative, and often the interpretation of events which comes to create their 'world' coming from the followers themselves.
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Isn't the idea that the 'leader' gives the 'followers' enough latitude so that they think they're in control, when really they're not?

I mean, if he had called it like it is, saying 'hey you all worship me and then strip naked and let me hold you', no one is going to go along with it. But then you tell them you're the son of god, you grow a beard and mimic the appearance of an already-created symbol and then the rest is history...

Which is why you can't call him delusional, but sociopathic. He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew the world wasn't going to end, when that became obvious he changed his story, saying he was going to have a makeover, ffs. :rolleyes: :mad:
 
I might have missed it, but was there any indication of how they managed financially, like where did their money come from?
 
Part2 said:
I might have missed it, but was there any indication of how they managed financially, like where did their money come from?
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They are confident the world will end this saturday. Get a loan with a 'pay nothing until the new year' offer. :)
 
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