"The End Of Suburbia" - Peak Oil AKA We're All Going To Die

[shoddysolutions]

Must look out for this. Haven't heard of it before.

Essential viewing for all enviro-mentalists and eco-worriers

 

[FreddyB]

I believe that solutions could be found to the end of oil, alternative technologies, re-organisation of things like food supply and power distribution. I beleive that if these are pursued, people in the UK in the next century will be living lives we would find recogniseable, no regression to mud huts.

I don't think any solutions will acutally be found, all the significat time and resources will be spent fighting wars over what oil etc. is left.

It's all fucked

 

[aurora green]

Essential viewing for all enviro-mentalists and eco-worriers

..right up my street then.

 

[Giles]

Looks like in a few years everything's going to go "Mad Max", with everyone running around wearing distressed leather clothes, chic punk hairstyles, and driving around in souped cars with spikes on the front, shooting at each other.

I can't wait!

Giles..

 

[Maggot]

Rob Newman did a show about this subject.

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=158522

 

[samk]

Lots of coal remaining, sorry doommongers.

 

[shoddysolutions]

Lots of coal remaining, sorry doommongers.

 

[rich!]

Lots of coal remaining, sorry doommongers.

An infinite amount, eh?

(Note that it rather looks like nuclear fission may not be a panacea, because *reserves of fissionable uranium are pretty small*)

I see the IET (used to be the IEE) Power Engineering people are now doing lectures on "deep green" power sources - given that IET members are the people who build Britain's power infrastructure, I'd say this had gone past the mainstream and into the field...
http://www.iee.org/OnComms/Branches/UK/England/SEastE/London/Events/june.cfm#Hamm

 

[samk]

Decades worth even by pessimistic estimates, polluting but when the alternative is collapse, that won't stop many people, which should buy enough time for cheap efficient solar panels (and fuel cells/batteries for storage) on most rooftops and roads.

 

[Flavour]

You guys are all forgetting something: As if Japan will let this happen. Come on. Be serious. Japan? No fucking way matey. Nope. Not a sniffle-diffle-diddly

 

[david dissadent]

$20 per barrel oil is approaching peak yes. But as the price of oil increases the ability to profitably extract oil from other sources comes available. For example Canada now has a fast growing oil reserves in its shale sands. They are estimated as being larger than Iraqs, but Iraqi oil can be produced at $2 per barrel oil shale takes about $30 per barrel. Similarly the Karrick method of extracting oil from coal costs c. $50 atm (it may be lower I am not sure) so as the cost of oil increases the volume of extractable reserves massivly increases. As an example we have an estimeted 200 years worth (at current energy use levels) of coal left.

The current $70 barrel of oil is unsustainable and largely driven by the lack of investment in new oil sources over the $20 dollar a barrel 90s so there is limited additional capacity currently available, and security concerns around Iraq Iran and Nigerian oil.

Panic over. But global warming will kill billions.

 

[Crispy]

Those oil shales are 1/3rd of the size quoted, in total energy times, as they require 1 unit of energy to extract 1.5 units of useful energy from them.