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The distant future

Does anyone want to speculate about say if man does exist for another 500 years or so

In 500 to 1,000 years, there'll be another civilization looking back at today's society with the same mix of fascination and contempt we now view the Roman Empire with.

A couple of thousand years later, there'll be another civilization looking back at the earlier one and finding it just as compelling and repulsive.

A million years from now, there'll be little to show that the monkeys ever came down from the trees - especially not any human settlements around planets in other solar systems.
 
In 500 to 1,000 years, there'll be another civilization looking back at today's society with the same mix of fascination and contempt we now view the Roman Empire with.

A couple of thousand years later, there'll be another civilization looking back at the earlier one and finding it just as compelling and repulsive.

A million years from now, there'll be little to show that the monkeys ever came down from the trees - especially not any human settlements around planets in other solar systems.

the romans were a lot longer than 500 years ago tho

i also just had an interesting idea. what if we learn to move outside time :D

i was watching that thing gmarthews posted, and since time is just a dimension, then there must be a way to move around it at will rather than just let it move us:hmm:
 
isitme - yeah if they crack the time thing - maybe someone from 500 years into the future is here with us now. Crazy!
 
Did you know it was predetermined you were going to say that? As was this reply?

Why do you mock the idea that everything is predetermined?

Do you prefer the idea that events some how occur completely at random?

If chance is not merely a lack of information required to calculate the outcome of a situation what is it?

What is the alternative to these options?


As for the future I predict globalisation ends the era of comfort currently enjoyed in the West. I predict global corporate enities becoming far more powerful than goverments (as if some were not already). I also doubt much will be done to help the currently empoverished people of world as this poverty serves as population growth control. I also reckon population control will be employed encouraging all people to have only one or two children and maybe even enforced abortions in cases were people overproduce.

The idea of a peoples revolution will become impossible due to all nations complete dependance on the international business cartels that supply the means to run our economy, that is if national sovreignty even continues to exist in the future. Natural centralisation of power with globalisation will result in one world goverment, even if it does not label itself as such. Privitised armies will become more common, similar to the one that guards the oil investments of the west nations in iraq currently to our political involvement and thus accountability is reduced.

When resources become short their will be mass migration from the third world nations searching for a way to sustain themselves. Imagine what happens when only the developed nations can afford resources such as oil. Food supply will go short and many millions of people will die of starvation.

The rich / poor gap will only grow due the normal working mans complete lack of true utility within the society. Technology will naturally be in the hands of the wealthy meaning advantages such as extended life span and freedom from disease and illness will only benefit the few.

The line between employment and slavery will become very blurred indeed when the only alternative to working is death.

Just as you have now you will have a group of individuals who mass own property and resources and therefore never lose out in any situation, a class of useful individuals under the employment of those who own the world who are allowed a living but artifically prevented from gaining to much wealth as to threaten the established power structure and finally a class of individuals of no real use to the greater whole who often die as a result of this.
 
Why do you mock the idea that everything is predetermined?

Because it's an idea that genuinely and actually causes an undirected physiological response in me - I actually feel nauseous at the thought that the Holocaust was inevitable; the the actions of the guy out there who is currently beating his girlfriend to death are pre-determined and were from the very start of the universe; that as humans we are completely incapable of any kind of free, conscious choice. It's monstrous.
 
Why do you mock the idea that everything is predetermined?

Do you prefer the idea that events some how occur completely at random?

If chance is not merely a lack of information required to calculate the outcome of a situation what is it?

What is the alternative to these options?


As for the future I predict globalisation ends the era of comfort currently enjoyed in the West. I predict global corporate enities becoming far more powerful than goverments (as if some were not already). I also doubt much will be done to help the currently empoverished people of world as this poverty serves as population growth control. I also reckon population control will be employed encouraging all people to have only one or two children and maybe even enforced abortions in cases were people overproduce.

The idea of a peoples revolution will become impossible due to all nations complete dependance on the international business cartels that supply the means to run our economy, that is if national sovreignty even continues to exist in the future. Natural centralisation of power with globalisation will result in one world goverment, even if it does not label itself as such. Privitised armies will become more common, similar to the one that guards the oil investments of the west nations in iraq currently to our political involvement and thus accountability is reduced.

When resources become short their will be mass migration from the third world nations searching for a way to sustain themselves. Imagine what happens when only the developed nations can afford resources such as oil. Food supply will go short and many millions of people will die of starvation.

The rich / poor gap will only grow due the normal working mans complete lack of true utility within the society. Technology will naturally be in the hands of the wealthy meaning advantages such as extended life span and freedom from disease and illness will only benefit the few.

The line between employment and slavery will become very blurred indeed when the only alternative to working is death.

Just as you have now you will have a group of individuals who mass own property and resources and therefore never lose out in any situation, a class of useful individuals under the employment of those who own the world who are allowed a living but artifically prevented from gaining to much wealth as to threaten the established power structure and finally a class of individuals of no real use to the greater whole who often die as a result of this.

that sounds like now

i find it quite hard to believe that it will be that similar to now in 500 years time

the way it is run at the moment with such a small amount of people in charge and running it for their own ends seems totally unsustainable to me

i can't see it lasting another 100 years let alone 500
 
Because it's an idea that genuinely and actually causes an undirected physiological response in me - I actually feel nauseous at the thought that the Holocaust was inevitable; the the actions of the guy out there who is currently beating his girlfriend to death are pre-determined and were from the very start of the universe; that as humans we are completely incapable of any kind of free, conscious choice. It's monstrous.

Maybe true choice is an illusion, but the only way to even attempt to supervene determination, even though complete escape is impossible, is first the awareness of it.

I am sure some people of nazi germany thought their decision to commit genocide was their "free will". All free will does in my eyes is detach people from the sources of their thoughts and beliefs thus making them more susceptable to subversive manipulation through language and suggestion.

Look at Derren Brown and tell me the will is truely "free" :D

It is a dehumanising idea that human beings can be reduced to the physical and thus are susceptable to the same limitations, however it is something I believe we as human beings must work through if we ever are to achieve anything closer to what you call "freedom"
 
that sounds like now

i find it quite hard to believe that it will be that similar to now in 500 years time

the way it is run at the moment with such a small amount of people in charge and running it for their own ends seems totally unsustainable to me

i can't see it lasting another 100 years let alone 500

Ok, after all this has occured eventually the world population will shrink to a more managable level. Technology, World resources and Population will create equilibrium with an abundance of everything for everyone. The need for a work force at all will eventually go as the entire infrastucture will be automated. The lucky humans alive will be able to live extremely long and healthy life spans, if not live forever if they desire to. Their will be a utopian society at the cost of billions of lives.

I believe through technology man will find new ways to improve his consciousness, more awareness and processing power, better pattern recognition as discussed in the other thread.

I believe at this stage the individual desire for procreation will be severely diminished as nobody need die and population is controlled, at least for those who want to live on earth as it will be accepted that their an optimal number of people living on any finite resource, sure people can have children but only relative to the number of people who most likely will choose to die, or at least be put into a form of storage and only awoken for special occasion. I believe this will turn into a collective desire to create new life in the universe. We may even have a go at creating a better version of ourselves and planting the seeds of life elsewhere in the universe simply to watch it grow.

Maybe this is even how the orginal conditions for life on earth were created by other sentient beings elsewhere in the universe who have overcome all their trials of evolution already and have eternity to see how their collective baby developes.

I think eventually we will realise what has been clear from start, that we are just as much part of universe as the universe is part of us and therefore simply desire to go back to being one with the whole. For me this is what death is already, returning to what you were before you were born, just a lump of matter interconnected with the whole that is the universe through subatomic structures or strings or higgs bosons or whatever you want to call the fabric of the universe.

So yes our eventual fate may be to deliberately top ourselves as a collective, but I don't think that it will be a sad moment in our history, espesially if we leave behind a legacy of other races to continue on existance.
 
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has anyone seen Texhnolyze?

that has quite an interesting future in it, loads of people live below the surface where it's a shithole, but on the surface everyone is a ghost, like they only half exist and just sort of potter about all day not going anywhere

they've solved hunger and everything like that, but they aren't alive anymore
 
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