The Deer Hunter, over rated shit or WTF?
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bmd
Island in the stream.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Not if they did entirely fictional things to me, I'd probably be happy enough with that.
bmd
Island in the stream.
Yes but isn't that ok in a film? To portray stuff that didn't actually happen?
you're too small to join the army, they'd just use you as a tank shell or something
FridgeMagnet
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The Deer Hunter was made by POWs?
no but it's from the perspective of a POW
revol68
what, fucking what?
When it's heralded as piece of cinematic legend depicting the brutality of war and the experiences of US soldiers, I'd imagine it's pretty fucked up to invent bullshit forms of torture and to present the US as protecting villagers from marauding Viet Cong volunteers determined to raze them.
It's a piece of shit liberal apologism for the barbarism the US unleashed in South East Asia, a barbarism that the US has never had to come to terms and never will whilst shit like this is heralded as anything more than racist shit.
revol68
what, fucking what?
They don't have a height restriction in the army you daft twat, infact with my brains and size I'd be probably stuck in a tank firing depleted uranium at schools.
I wouldn't mock anyone's physical appearance if I were you
it's dramatic licence. it doesn't focus on the atrocities that US soldiers commited in Vietnam it focuses on the experience of two soldiers
it's anti war from an american perspective
even tho the things that happen aren't fact, it isn't exactly unimaginable that something like that could have happened to POWs.
it's anti war from an american perspective
even tho the things that happen aren't fact, it isn't exactly unimaginable that something like that could have happened to POWs.
^ this
They don't have a height restriction in the army you daft twat, infact with my brains and size I'd be probably stuck in a tank firing depleted uranium at schools.
I wouldn't mock anyone's physical appearance if I were you
yeah but you aren't me you're a shortarse little idiot
revol68
what, fucking what?
No anti war from an american perspective doesn't mean simply acting as apologism for the actions of US troops, it means showing their actions within a context, showing the guilt, anger, and fear those soldiers experienced whilst not absolving them of their actions.
The facts are that these things didn't happen to POW's and by inventing this shit they are not only insulting the Vietnamese but the real and actual experiences of POW's.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
with your brains and size they'd have you in one of those target tanks on a proving ground having depleted uranium fired at you.They don't have a height restriction in the army you daft twat, infact with my brains and size I'd be probably stuck in a tank firing depleted uranium at schools.
I wouldn't mock anyone's physical appearance if I were you
revol68
what, fucking what?
and you're an ugly troll who has to go half across the world for female attention, such is life.
but there were probably soldiers who that was realistic for, they go to war, get captured, get tortured and then escape or don't without getting the chance to commit any atrocities
no i don't i just have a better job over here than i can get in england. and i'm not ugly. of course it's subjective but i've never had much of a problem getting female attention over here or back home
you are a shortarse tho. that isn't subjective.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Yes, some US soliders heroically tried to protect a village from a murderous Viet Cong troop, then get caught and are forced to play Russian Roulette, all before they ever take part in any brutality, bombing,, razing, or beating of civilians or Viet Cong pow's.
Why the fuck can't you accept what is so plainly obvious it's a shit piece of US apologism, a film with repulsive politics and dire dragged out direction.
revol68
what, fucking what?
Well if I was in China I wouldn't be a short arse, just like in China you aren't an overgrown geek.
Pickman's model
sunset spires and twilight woods
if you were in china you'd be the man holding the ground zero marker at lop nor.Well if I was in China I wouldn't be a short arse, just like in China you aren't an overgrown geek.
bmd
Island in the stream.
I imagine that the film reflected the prevailing US opinion at the time and anyway, the US still sees itself like that now, fighting for freedom against the nasty brown dudes.
well i haven't seen it for years i'm just speaking from my interpretation of the film years ago which i just thought was about the horror of war and just showed some normal lads going off to war and getting completely fucked over
maybe if i watched it again i would think of it differently and would agree with you, but i'm just arguing because art is so subjective and your interpretation of the film isn't the only one and it isn't highly regarded because it shows the brutality of the vietnamese, it's highly regarded because it show the brutality of war in general
ya know, it's a bit like 'harry potter is a disgusting glorification of the bourgeoise and priveledge'
revol68
what, fucking what?
Yes which doesn't mean the film isn't a pile of racist, apologist shite.
Well if I was in China I wouldn't be a short arse, just like in China you aren't an overgrown geek.
yes you would
bmd
Island in the stream.
I agree, it's the American way. But it's hardly unique to them though is it?
lighterthief
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Personally I find the Harry Potter films 'anti-muggle' stance shocking, tbh.
FridgeMagnet
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It's the made-up perspective of a made-up POW. Even if everything there _did_ happen to somebody at some point, the author picked _those specific bits_ and put them together as a story, to promote a myth.
I suppose if it was in the context of loads of films accurately portraying the Vietnam war you might be able to see it in a different light but it's not is it? It's fantasy Vietnam, the gooks aren't real people they're demons and plot devices, the Yanks are all that matter and they're just ordinary blokes didn't mean nobody no harm, war is hell god dammit.
FridgeMagnet
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This country's doing the same myth right now this instant.
Johnny Canuck3
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Michael Cimino the director, is also one who was never shy of silly pretention & spoon blunt symbolism.
DH was actually pretty much his only coherent movie & he pissed it's success up the wall quite spectacuarly with Heavan's Gate.
I heard someone once discibe him as the M. Night Shyamalan of his generation
Thunderbolt and Lightfoot was coherent, and later, so was Footloose. He was better at the smaller movie.
