The Deer Hunter, over rated shit or WTF?

[internetstalker]

The deerhunter:

Not one of Deniro's greatest films. It's about an hour 2 long. It's a very slow film.

Not great, OK

 

[Pickman's model]

revol, you seem scarred by watching 'the deer hunter'. perhaps you've got ptsd from the experience.

 

[revol68]

revol, you seem scarred by watching 'the deer hunter'. perhaps you've got ptsd from the experience.

Three fucking hours, of course I'm scarred, I'm also suffering from victims guilt, "Why did I let it go on and on, why didn't I stop it, was part of me enjoying it..."

I reckon it's the worst 'rated' movie I've ever seen.

 

[London_Calling]

Post Teves Stress Disorder?

 

[Pickman's model]

Three fucking hours, of course I'm scarred, I'm also suffering from victims guilt, "Why did I let it go on and on, why didn't I stop it, was part of me enjoying it..."

I reckon it's the worst 'rated' movie I've ever seen.

if that's the worst thing that happens to you this year you've got off lightly.

 

[1927]

Over rated it may be, but its not even the most over rated Nam film.

Apocalypse Now, wtf, now that's an over rated film!

 

[revol68]

if that's the worst thing that happens to you this year you've got off lightly.

Thankfully my girlfriend doesn't want to see "My Sisters Keeper", so I should be fine.

 

[revol68]

Over rated it may be, but its not even the most over rated Nam film.

Apocalypse Now, wtf, now that's an over rated film!

Apocalypse Now is massively overrated but it's not as fucking dull and dire as The Deer Hunter.

 

[Pickman's model]

Over rated it may be, but its not even the most overrated Nam film.

Apocalypse Now, wtf, now that's an over rated film!

apocalypse now does of course have the benefit of a decent cast, a top script and a reasonable plot.

 

[isitme]

They didn't happen, there was never any documented cases of it reported. Like I said it's made up self pitying shit that makes the good old American boys the main victims of the war and totally misrepresents the traumatic and brutalising things they did or experienced. Hollywood sucked the cock off The Deer Hunter because it allowed them to be vaguely anti war without coming to terms with the real role America played in it and the actions of it's troops.

How would a German movie about the 2nd World War go down that 'portrays the brutality of war' by inventing fictional circumstances in which Jewish partisans are blowing up Warsaw gentiles and a group of Waffen SS troops get caught whilst avenging this act of Jewish brutality and then are shown to be brutalised by a bunch of sadistic Jews?

Would people defend it on the grounds that it is simply trying to show the brutality of war on the basis of what 'unimaginable things' could happen to a bunch of really normal lads?

i doubt it would be popular tbh but it could work. das boot made you sympathetic towards a german uboat crew because it showed that they were just normal lads involved in the war even tho they were on the wrong side

 

[tar1984]

Boring shit, never made it to the end.

 

[revol68]

i doubt it would be popular tbh but it could work. das boot made you sympathetic towards a german uboat crew because it showed that they were just normal lads involved in the war even tho they were on the wrong side

Don't be a disingenuous prick, of course it fucking wouldn't work, it'd never get into fucking production for a start!

Das Boot is hardly fucking comparable.

 

[_pH_]

Is the deerhunter a documentary?

 

[isitme]

there is that film iron cross about german soldiers. i haven't seen it

but you could make a parable style film about nazi soldiers who are normal lads who go to war and one of them gets killed. of course they wouldn't dare, but it's not to say that they couldn't or shouldn't

letter from iwo jima showed an incredibly sympathetic portrayal of japanese soldiers who were just as bad as the nazis, probably worse, admittedly in that battle they weren't, but it does make the japanese army look very much the honourable normal guys suffering from the insanity of war....

 

[Pickman's model]

there is that film iron cross about german soldiers. i haven't seen it

but you could make a parable style film about nazi soldiers who are normal lads who go to war and one of them gets killed. of course they wouldn't dare, but it's not to say that they couldn't or shouldn't

letter from iwo jima showed an incredibly sympathetic portrayal of japanese soldiers who were just as bad as the nazis, probably worse, admittedly in that battle they weren't, but it does make the japanese army look very much the honourable normal guys suffering from the insanity of war....

cross of iron, you mean.

 

[revol68]

there is that film iron cross about german soldiers. i haven't seen it

but you could make a parable style film about nazi soldiers who are normal lads who go to war and one of them gets killed. of course they wouldn't dare, but it's not to say that they couldn't or shouldn't

letter from iwo jima showed an incredibly sympathetic portrayal of japanese soldiers who were just as bad as the nazis, probably worse, admittedly in that battle they weren't, but it does make the japanese army look very much the honourable normal guys suffering from the insanity of war....

Do any of those films only show horrors and brutality inflicted by the Allies? Do they invent fictional forms of abuse and torture for the Allies to carry out?

Do any of them have the cheek to shoot a scene that is almost identical to the world famous picture of the South Vietnamese officer shooting an unarmed man in the head, and reverse it so it is being carried out by the Viet Cong?

Stop making excuses for a piece of shit film.

 

[Pickman's model]

Do any of those films only show horrors and brutality inflicted by the Allies? Do they invent fictional forms of abuse and torture for the Allies to carry out?

Do any of them have the cheek to shoot a scene that is almost identical to the world famous picture of the South Vietnamese officer shooting an unarmed man in the head, and reverse it so it is being carried out by the Viet Cong?

Stop making excuses for a piece of shit film.

have you considered getting some help with anger management?

 

[revol68]

have you considered getting some help with anger management?

i'm sweet as a nut mate, chilled like tropicana.

 

[isitme]

do you?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I blame Platoon, Deer Hunter and also Tour Of Fucking Duty for stopping me watching Full Metal Jacket for ages, as I'd decided that Vietnam films were all self-indulgent mawkish apologist tripe.

Actually come to think of it, when I first got exposed to the genre, I didn't know much about the Vietnam War apart from that that Yanks went on about it all the fucking time, and even as a pretty dense teenager I watched this stuff and thought "hang about, I keep seeing all these fucking noble Americans, why were people shooting at them then? this can't be right" and read a bit more and yeah, it wasn't. So perhaps it was educational.

 

[bmd]

i'm sweet as a nut mate, chilled like tropicana.

lol

I was just thinking how you were right about The Deerhunter and what I liked about it was the drama of the Russian Roulette bit and the whole capture part and the escape and maybe a little bit of the rest but really, it was dull and I liked it because of those bits, not because it was a good film.

I was wondering how a country like the US can delude itself into thinking that their experience is somehow so much more right than anothers, even though they're the aggressors and then I thought that they just don't have that level of self-awareness as a country.

You're the US revol.

 

[isitme]

it's a bit like how films about the roman empire tend to gloss over the atrocities they commited in northumberland and palestine

 

[Pickman's model]

it's a bit like how films about the roman empire tend to gloss over the atrocities they commited in northumberland and palestine

eh? atrocities in northumberland you say? like what?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I was just thinking how you were right about The Deerhunter and what I liked about it was the drama of the Russian Roulette bit and the whole capture part and the escape and maybe a little bit of the rest but really, it was dull and I liked it because of those bits, not because it was a good film.

Those bits are good, sure. The Russian Roulette stuff is a great idea, very dramatic scenes - the whole concept of somebody becoming an expert at Russian Roulette, too, that's great.

They are utter fantasy though. It's got one of the most fantastical portrayals of Vietnam as a testing ground for US youth / place where bad things happen to good people / etc of any film I've seen which pretends to be about real life (i.e. Apocalypse Now doesn't count).

 

[revol68]

The Russian Roulette stuff was a fucking awful idea.

 

[bmd]

it's a bit like how films about the roman empire tend to gloss over the atrocities they commited in northumberland and palestine

Exactly! Where's the bit in Gladiator about how many died building Hadrian's Wall? On the cutting room floor, that's where.

 

[isitme]

eh? atrocities in northumberland you say? like what?

they used to send soldiers past the wall and kill all our sheep at night so we wouldn't be able to go and throw axes and bits of shit at the wall

 

[FridgeMagnet]

The Russian Roulette stuff was a fucking awful idea.

Well I thought it was a good basic idea, even if the way it was put on screen was a load of racist balls.

 

[bmd]

The Russian Roulette stuff was a fucking awful idea.

It was a good shorthand dramatic way to portray how war can send you nuts I think. It's not supposed to be reflecting an actual event, is it?

I agree that the way the Vietcong were portrayed was pretty shite though, but put it in context and it's understandable.

 

[isitme]

didi mao!!