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The dead teenagers returning from Afghanistan

How do you feel about them?

  • With Pride and/or as hero’s

    Votes: 10 10.3%
  • As naïve victims

    Votes: 46 47.4%
  • As adventurers/volunteers who knew the risks

    Votes: 37 38.1%
  • As tools of amoral capitalism and/or Imperialism

    Votes: 56 57.7%
  • Something else

    Votes: 19 19.6%

  • Total voters
    97
They are serving their nation, in whatever manner and wherever they are directed to.

The casual abuse that you, and other arseholes, dish out on these boards is nauseating, especially as you wouldn't have the guts to make your comments in the presence of soldiers.
we have all sorts of people posting here, wouldn't be surprised if there was a soldier or two somewhere on here. unless you know better, of course.
 
That's true, but it's also true to say you can join up and choose to not go into a front line infantry Regiment.

So....for those that have made that choice, to call them pawns or naieve is a bit insulting, no? Nobody signs up for the front line without being aware that there's at least an outside chance that they might get blown up or shot, I wouldn't have thought?
 
These dead teenagers in particular, how do you think of them?
Not very much. Some of them will have been well-meaning, some of them will have been vile racists enjoying their chance of a pop at the ragheads.

Some will have joined for a career in circumstances of limited job options, others will have been waiting to be killers from an early age.

Whatever - they're all tools of the corporations and governments who want to put muscle down to secure territory for capitalism.

And at the end of the day the dead British squaddie account for a fraction of the dead people in all this shit, most of whom are invisible to us because they're foreign.

That's what fucking pisses me off - that we're supposed to give a shit about someone because we share the same passport :mad::mad::mad:
 
They are serving their nation, in whatever manner and wherever they are directed to.

The casual abuse that you, and other arseholes, dish out on these boards is nauseating, especially as you wouldn't have the guts to make your comments in the presence of soldiers.

In whose interests is this serving?
 
That's what fucking pisses me off - that we're supposed to give a shit about someone because we share the same passport :mad::mad::mad:

...or just basic human decency. An 18 year old getting killed under any circumstances is a tragedy imo. Unless it is the 18 year old Hitler and we have a time machine.
 
They are serving their nation, in whatever manner and wherever they are directed to.

The casual abuse that you, and other arseholes, dish out on these boards is nauseating, especially as you wouldn't have the guts to make your comments in the presence of soldiers.

The bolded bit is a really shit argument, though, isn't it?

You wouldn't have the guts to make your "gawdblesser, the Queen Mum was an actual bloody saint" comments in a room of angry, tooled-up republicans.
 
I'm not going to grace that inanity with an answer. Fucking idiot.
Seemed like a reasonable enough question to me. Certainly no need for that kind of attitude. There are two brands of mindlessness on this thread. One is "dead soldiers - meh". The other is above. ^
 
They are serving their nation, in whatever manner and wherever they are directed to.

The casual abuse that you, and other arseholes, dish out on these boards is nauseating, especially as you wouldn't have the guts to make your comments in the presence of soldiers.
I, for one, have had the 'guts' to make such comments in the presence of soldiers. Don't tell strangers on a bulletin board what they would or wouldn't do, as you really have no idea.
 
So what you is saying is you'd prefer it if people who joined up chose not to fight...coz they do have that option after all. And then you'd be less stressed? :D:D:D
You miss the point.

So....for those that have made that choice, to call them pawns or naieve is a bit insulting, no? Nobody signs up for the front line without being aware that there's at least an outside chance that they might get blown up or shot, I wouldn't have thought?
Sure, they know there's a chance. But they are, generally, in 'warrrior mode', and most men remember feeling indestructible at that particular age - it certainly won't happen to you, maybe someone else.

But, in any event, I don't think the naivity attaches to their motivation, more their sense of the bigger picture, why they are there.
 
You miss the point.


Sure, they know there's a chance. But they are, generally, in 'warrrior mode', and most men remember feeling indestructible at that particular age - it certainly won't happen to you, maybe someone else.

But, in any event, I don't think the naivity attaches to their motivation, more their sense of the bigger picture, why they are there.

Nah, I don't buy it. At 18 I was very much not in warrior mode and neither were pretty much any of the people I knew. I think it stretches credulity to suggest people sign up for the front line without entertaining the idea they might die.
 
There's no such thing as 'warrior mode' - not naturally anyway, the military have to work very hard to produce that mentality. It doesn't come first.
 
i did to a bunch of pissd up ex-paras only last weekend.

This guy's the REAL hero!

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Gawd bless ya!
 
I feel sorry for them the same I'd feel sorry for anyone to die a premature death. However, honestly I probably feel a little more sorry for people who die premature deaths without having any say about being exposed to more risky circumstances, such as civilians in the countries that have wars fought in them.

However, what often irritates me is the minimal reporting of the latter, whilst the deaths of British national soldiers can become headline news. As someone else said, it's the idea that we should be more sad about the death of people with the same passport. I don't like it. :(
 
However, what often irritates me is the minimal reporting of the latter, whilst the deaths of British national soldiers can become headline news. As someone else said, it's the idea that we should be more sad about the death of people with the same passport. I don't like it. :(

It is human nature. It's exactly the same in every country around the entire world. In Nicaragua, if a plane crashes and some Nicaraguan people are onboard, they report the story by saying "3 Nicaraguan citizens died on board..." the same way we do here.
 
This isn't a plane crash, it's something this society is imposing on the peoples of another society - it is being done in our name.
 
There's no such thing as 'warrior mode' - not naturally anyway, the military have to work very hard to produce that mentality. It doesn't come first.
You clearly didn't grow up round some of the nutters I did then.

I knew guys who were wannabe army/marines killers before they set foot in a recruitment office
 
It is human nature. It's exactly the same in every country around the entire world. In Nicaragua, if a plane crashes and some Nicaraguan people are onboard, they report the story by saying "3 Nicaraguan citizens died on board..." the same way we do here.

Just because it happens everywhere doesn't mean it's right.

Also, I'd disagree it's necessarily human nature. I think it's human nature to be more concerned about the people closest to you - firstly the inner circle of friends and/or family, and then the wider circle of about 100 contacts or so. However, I think this sort of nationalism is largely influenced by the societal ideals we're all raised with. Besides, I'm soft as shite, but don't necessarily feel more of a stab when I hear about the death of a British citizen compared to a foreign national. Surely if it was human nature, it would be an almost universal response?
 
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