The Da Vinci Code
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T & P
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How is that different to just about every other crime/mystery/war thriller novel?Dubversion said:
Are Ian Rankin titles rubbish because he uses mention real organisations in his books? Is the Fifth Horseman rubbish because the authors use the Mossad and Gadaffi for their plot?
Millions of Da Vinci Code readers think the book is genuinely exciting and is a great read.
I'm sorry, I see no difference whatsover between the two. Either we discard any form of entertainment, be films or books, as rubbish if they have little artisitic merit, or we don't.
In your opinion. Millions of people around the world appear to disagree.
T&P - that is an unbelievably hollow post. you even round up by saying it's just my opinion.
OF COURSE it's my fucking opinion, you goon. how could it be anything else.
jesus...
OF COURSE it's my fucking opinion, you goon. how could it be anything else.
jesus...
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Indeed. Or Philip Pullman. Or Alexander McCall Smith, Ian Rankin or John Le Carre.Hollis said:
T & P said:
There's a logical fallacy there though. Just because millions of people buy/consume the Da Vinci Code doesn't mean that they think it 'genuinely exciting and a great read,' That's like saying that - just because they sell squillions of meals - millions of people eat McDonalds because they provide a genuinely remarkable and outstanding culinary experience.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Millions of people liked the Nazis and Coldplay.
Dubversion said:
in fact it's so bad I kept getting distracted from the actual ,wafer thin plot
And one of the funniest (in a laugh out loud on the train way) books I've read for quite some time uses this as it's premise It's called "The Devillers Code" and is set in South Africa so a fair bit of the humour is indiginous to that part fo the world . But the characters in the book keep getting distracted from their quest by the bad writing, implausible plot holes and sudden introduction of characters , in fact one of the suspects was ruled out because he arrived too late in the story
.And all that secret meanings in numbers crap is nicely lampooned using the books ISBN number to unravel some mysterious connection to some secret plot. And when they introduced the pretty female heroine in the beginning , she only lasted one page as they feared they might get sued by Dan Browne and another character became the heroine by defaultIt's a very good book to read if you did not like the Da Vinci Code
MysteryGuest
beyond boring and interesting
Reading the DVC is top of my list of things never to do before I die.
Hollis
bloody furious
tarannau said:
Certainly a reasonable proportion of Amazon book reviewers appear to viewed it as a good read..
Given that amazon buyers are probably biased towards the m/c intellectual end of the spectrum, it seems reasonable to suggest that a fair proportion of those who bought the Da Vinci code enjoyed it.
Hollis said:Certainly a reasonable proportion of Amazon book reviewers appear to viewed it as a good read..
Given that amazon buyers are probably biased towards the m/c intellectual end of the spectrum, it seems reasonable to suggest that a fair proportion of those who bought the Da Vinci code enjoyed it.
never get a job in research, Hollis. you'd be useless
T & P
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A great deal of purchases are influenced by a personal recommendation- i.e. word of mouth from friends, etc. Seeing as DVC has been the top selling paperback for practically 2 years solid at the same, healthy rate, it is clear the book is being recommended by happy punters to others.
And I'm willing to bet the majority of those people are not low-brow brain dead Sun-reading, McD eating lemurs either. They simply took the book for what it is- mindless entertainment.
And I'm willing to bet the majority of those people are not low-brow brain dead Sun-reading, McD eating lemurs either. They simply took the book for what it is- mindless entertainment.
A lecturer who works at Durham University once told me that he tells his students that if they don't have the time to read non essential course books then they should read the Amazon sypnosis and the reader reviews
Worrying, its not exactly a polytechnic is it?
Added to that, of all the sane people I know, none of them ever write internet reviews, all the idiots do though
Worrying, its not exactly a polytechnic is it?
Added to that, of all the sane people I know, none of them ever write internet reviews, all the idiots do though
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
As a huge fan of the murder/mystery/thriller genre, I have to say that it's one of the best reads I've had in fucking years.
Bloody loved it, read Angels and Demons (the prequel) too, loved that and all.
Some people take it all too seriously, it's a cracking good fictional yarn and will (if done right) make a superb movie.
I do actually agree with Dan Brown about the incorporation of pagan images into Christianity and the supercedence of earlier pagan religion in which the balance of male and female were seen as equal to that in which a monotheistic patriarchal model was followed.
I think on that score, he has some good points to make, and he is the <ahem> 'master' of 'narrow escapes' when it comes to crime/thriller novels, but I don't understand why people take it more seriously, I mean ffs I'm reading a James Patterson novel about children who have wings at the moment, but no-one's declaiming that as nonsense! Because, DUH, it's FICTION.
It's a damn good read if you like that sort of thing (which I do) and I've also had great fun doing the stupid puzzles on the website (which I completed btw
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Lighten up and enjoy yourselves. I know it's fiction, you know it's fiction, anyone who doesn't realise that would read the ingredients label on a packet of Findus Crispy Pancakes and start looking for secret codes.
FFS!!
Bloody loved it, read Angels and Demons (the prequel) too, loved that and all.
Some people take it all too seriously, it's a cracking good fictional yarn and will (if done right) make a superb movie.
I do actually agree with Dan Brown about the incorporation of pagan images into Christianity and the supercedence of earlier pagan religion in which the balance of male and female were seen as equal to that in which a monotheistic patriarchal model was followed.
I think on that score, he has some good points to make, and he is the <ahem> 'master' of 'narrow escapes' when it comes to crime/thriller novels, but I don't understand why people take it more seriously, I mean ffs I'm reading a James Patterson novel about children who have wings at the moment, but no-one's declaiming that as nonsense! Because, DUH, it's FICTION.
It's a damn good read if you like that sort of thing (which I do) and I've also had great fun doing the stupid puzzles on the website (which I completed btw
)Lighten up and enjoy yourselves. I know it's fiction, you know it's fiction, anyone who doesn't realise that would read the ingredients label on a packet of Findus Crispy Pancakes and start looking for secret codes.
FFS!!
Bob_the_lost
Elsewhere
*falls into fit of frothing rage at mention of Dan Brown*
Hack, if he were a reporter he'd be the one who's responsible for writing page 3 of the sun.
Millions read his work, but it's not half as good as the rest of the industry manages. Several books, and yet once you've seen one of them, you've seen them all.
Hack, if he were a reporter he'd be the one who's responsible for writing page 3 of the sun.
Millions read his work, but it's not half as good as the rest of the industry manages. Several books, and yet once you've seen one of them, you've seen them all.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
Epona - that's bollocks - I'm saying it's not a cracking good read, it's awful - I'm not taking things too seriously, I just have an opinion on it.
Epona said:As a huge fan of the murder/mystery/thriller genre, I have to say that it's one of the best reads I've had in fucking years.
Bloody loved it, read Angels and Demons (the prequel) too, loved that and all.
Some people take it all too seriously, it's a cracking good fictional yarn and will (if done right) make a superb movie.
I do actually agree with Dan Brown about the incorporation of pagan images into Christianity and the supercedence of earlier pagan religion in which the balance of male and female were seen as equal to that in which a monotheistic patriarchal model was followed.
I think on that score, he has some good points to make, and he is the <ahem> 'master' of 'narrow escapes' when it comes to crime/thriller novels, but I don't understand why people take it more seriously, I mean ffs I'm reading a James Patterson novel about children who have wings at the moment, but no-one's declaiming that as nonsense! Because, DUH, it's FICTION.
It's a damn good read if you like that sort of thing (which I do) and I've also had great fun doing the stupid puzzles on the website (which I completed btw
Lighten up and enjoy yourselves. I know it's fiction, you know it's fiction, anyone who doesn't realise that would read the ingredients label on a packet of Findus Crispy Pancakes and start looking for secret codes.
FFS!!
Tell me you're only 13 years old. Please.
I don't think anyone is really onjecting to the subject matter, i know I didn't as I love this conspiracy bollocks type fiction. I know full well it's fiction it's just the Mr Browne is a crap writer
If you haven't already, I then highly recommend you read Foucalt's Pendulum and Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
They are both in the same general area of mystery/thriller/conspiracy/religous fiction, the main difference is that Umberto Eco knows how to write a good yarn. Then come back and say whether you still think Dan Browne is any good
If you haven't already, I then highly recommend you read Foucalt's Pendulum and Name of the Rose by Umberto Eco
They are both in the same general area of mystery/thriller/conspiracy/religous fiction, the main difference is that Umberto Eco knows how to write a good yarn. Then come back and say whether you still think Dan Browne is any good
Epona
Radar 2006-2020, Sonic 2006-2022, Jakey 2007-2024
I'm sorry if you don't like my taste in fiction, although I don't feel I have anything to apologise for. I get a lot of enjoyment out of 'crap' novels. I'm not going to apologise for my taste not being highbrow enough for the rest of you.Orang Utan said:
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
I don't expect you to!
Epona said:I'm sorry if you don't like my taste in fiction, although I don't feel I have anything to apologise for. I get a lot of enjoyment out of 'crap' novels. I'm not going to apologise for my taste not being highbrow enough for the rest of you.
it's got fuck all to do with being highbrow, and repeating that ad nauseam is just a failure to engage with the argument.
there are GREAT 'airport' novels, or chicklit, or genre books or whatever. the trouble is, Brown just can't fucking write. ok, that's subjective, but it's that kind of subjective that's almost objective. or something
zed said:
yeh, being a patronising cunt will certainly speed this argument along.
Orang Utan
Maybe I like the misery
He does have a limited talent to be fair - his plots do have a certain momentum.
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