pitchfork
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BIG I think you should start your own forum just for you then you won’t have to reply to anyone who may have different opinion. Your beginning to sound a bit like a certain owner at Romford.
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The Current Situation
- Thread starter Moroccan Sunset
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BIG I think you should start your own forum just for you then you won’t have to reply to anyone who may have different opinion. Your beginning to sound a bit like a certain owner at Romford.
Let's get back on track with this season's performances and look at some numbers.
The first 8 games we collected 14 points
The 4 game mini run in early January gave us 8 points.
That means the other 20 games have resulted in 12 points.
By any measure that is terrible.
Let's also look at our 4 seasons in the Isthmian Premier prior to promotion. We collected between 76 and 82 points, which is very consistent but ultimately shows that whatever personnel changes were made the result was the same.
The first 8 games we collected 14 points
The 4 game mini run in early January gave us 8 points.
That means the other 20 games have resulted in 12 points.
By any measure that is terrible.
Let's also look at our 4 seasons in the Isthmian Premier prior to promotion. We collected between 76 and 82 points, which is very consistent but ultimately shows that whatever personnel changes were made the result was the same.
EDC
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No!!! Drums can fuck right off.
T Corcoran
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sleaterkinney
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I would leave it to the summer, he’s got us two promotions and stuck with the club, he deserves a bit of loyalty. But in the summer I would take a look at it, we have a ridiculous turnover of players.
Stuart Fordyce
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I haven't been watching Hamlet regularly for long, so don't know all the history. However, I do remember in the preseason game the Spurs u23 gaffer was an ex Hamlet boss. I know it's different developing youngsters compared to the Men's First XI, but is it worth suggesting Gavin and Junior have a chat with Wayne Burnett?
Purely in a CPD/knowledge gaining session, most of us have to do it at work after all!
Purely in a CPD/knowledge gaining session, most of us have to do it at work after all!
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Cat Daisy
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... or Gainsborough Trinity. (Hasn't done either of them a massive amount of good.)
If managers have mentors they are their own choice and any attempt by a board to impose one would not be well received. The current management have 10 years experience managing in men's football and the name you mention is somebody who I'm sure they know.
If they want to seek support from their own network that's fine but that will be their decision.
I think the powers that be have been very supportive this season and don't believe any other club with our budget would have tolerated what has unfolded this season.
Moroccan Sunset
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Which makes me wonder why we have tolerated it to the extent that we have. Some of the performances this season have been a waste of time and money for both the club and supporters.
Pink Panther
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At the last supporters' forum a fortnight before Christmas (which was primarily to discuss the ground redevelopment situation) someone suggested we would have been better off staying part time and retaining the bulk of last season's squad. Ben Clasper's reply was something along the lines of "with hindsight I sometimes think the same thing myself".
The switch to a full time regime was first publicly floated at a forum around the end of last season. At the December forum Ben basically admitted that the transition had been rushed through during the summer without really beginning soon enough meaning, whilst we were in the market for a higher calibre of player than the previous year, once again we were too late to sign several of our preferred transfer targets. Ben also stated that dealing with professional players (and presumably their agents) regarding contract negotiations is more challenging than before.
So, reading between the lines, I'm guessing the directors may feel partly responsible for not giving the manager the best chance to make full use of the available resources. That doesn't excuse the complete failure to make any sort of improvement whatsoever on last season's performance so far, but I do believe it's a bit more nuanced than concluding that "the manager was given everything he asked for - why aren't we doing better?"
I know when Maidstone were first promoted to the National Division just a year after winning the Isthmian League they remained part-time and struggled before going full-time for the second season. They continued to struggle, were relegated after two more seasons and are now in their third season as a full-time club. I've seen comments from a few of their supporters on social media suggesting they'd be better off spending the same yearly budget and being part-time, as they'd then be competing for the best part-time players rather than the cheapest full-time professionals. I'm not sure how valid that argument might be but there are certainly going to be some very good players who just aren't willing to give up a day job to commit to playing full-time for Maidstone or ourselves. I guess there must be an overlap between what the biggest spending part-time clubs are paying and what the lowest spending full-time clubs are spending, and I'm guessing we're somewhere within that range.
For what it's worth my own feeling is that lack of continuity is a bigger factor than budget in our poor season. We always seem to do better when we keep the previous season's squad together and just strengthen two or three positions. For our best season of all we kept everyone of note except Drage and Sekajja, brought in Hayles and Acheampong which gave real strength in depth at the back, then picked up Ferguson and Allassani after the season was underway. We then kept the same squad through to the end of the season with no more comings and goings except for short-term cover.
I think we've got some good younger players in the current squad, plus Clunis, Taylor and Edwards from the Isthmian days, while Mills is superb for me, but maybe we've overloaded with senior players who've been around the block at this level and above. You need a few seasoned campaigners like that but I'm not sure we've got the balance right, maybe we'd have been better off trying to cherry pick a few hungry younger players from the league below? I've noticed this division seems to be a bit of a merry-go-round with a lot of similar players moving between similar clubs every summer. No wonder there seems to be little to choose between most sides.
darryl
this wasn't supposed to happen
I think this has nailed it. I do wonder how many agents are making a good living off the people chatting away about career moves and the rugby.
I am amazed by the amount of people who blame the size of our crowds for the situation we are in. It really is bonkers.
The Club pays no fees to agents so if they're getting money it's off the players not the club
It not the size, its people like you.
Pink Panther
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I fully support the club's stance, but whilst that might not cost the club money perhaps one or two agents have advised players to join other clubs instead?
Many of us support the club because it's not like league football, but as the club grows and progresses all sorts of peripheral aspects become closer to league football.
dcdulwich
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This - and very much in that order.
1) The next few months will be crucial for this.
2) this has largely been secured but there are still certain critical aspects that are being worked on very hard at present.
3) Probably not something for me to comment on directly but my primary concern would be that a change would not help with regard to various elements of 1) as we move forward.
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Non-league round-up: Dulwich Hamlet boss ready to make squad changes
BY RICHARD CAWLEY Gavin Rose is weighing up more changes to his Dulwich Hamlet squad. The National League South club have until the middle of March before the deadline passes for deals to be done. …
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I cannot see how changing a manager would or should affect a planning application.
The way people, including some in the council, go on you'd think our management made sacrifices when we were exiled.
The truth is that no employee was released or didn't receive their full salary and bonuses as per their contract. There was no financial sacrifice just a few days delay to the odd payment
pettyboy
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The only sensible comment in this entire thread.
Don't think it's the only sensible one at all. He's earned and received loyalty to date and preparations in terms of players starts now not in the summer.
From what I'm reading and can see this club has great potential for the community and beyond
Why we don't have girls teams and junior teams is beyond me but very achievable but it has to be under one banner dhfc I luv what gavin has done but there's a bigger picture to this without us becoming a glen tamplin scenario
Why we don't have girls teams and junior teams is beyond me but very achievable but it has to be under one banner dhfc I luv what gavin has done but there's a bigger picture to this without us becoming a glen tamplin scenario
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hiraethified
Cowbells are what we need. A symphony of them.
Let's donk our way to the top.
Pink Panther
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The symphony of jangling keys is more than enough percussion for my liking.
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