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The Current Situation

PartisanDulwich said:
Gavin has fashioned Dulwich Hamlet in recent years - he and the club are inseparable
confident we wouldn't exist without him - players would have left when not paid and his steady hand undoubtedly played well with all stake holders - play your cards wrong and you could end up with someone like Tamplin
the situation is not great - but this is far from the end of the world
There are no quick fixes in life and anyone, anyone, from a politicians down who tells you that there are, is a liar
and now is certainly not the time to be debating a different path
we need to get fully behind the team until the last kick of the season
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Personally I agree with your final comment but ultimately there comes a tipping point where you can't just carry on regardless without making a tough decision, otherwise you're in danger of ending up like Nottingham Forest did with Brian Clough. Right now there is an argument for a change of manager and whether you like it or not the only thing that can settle it in your favour is better results.

cambelt said:
If we lose at home to Tonbridge we are in deep trouble.
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No we're not, or at least not significantly deeper than we already are. This sort of hysterical overreaction that really winds me up. The bigger picture is not pretty, it's been a really poor season but if we lose on Saturday we'll be a bit worse off than we are right now, that's all. Before we won at Hungerford two months ago we were 19th in the table, without a win for four months, and defeat would have dropped us into the relegation places. At that point Braintree were in the top half of the table. Look at their results since and look at where they are now, that's "deep trouble". Right now we've lost two games on the spin, one of them away to the team second in the table. Before that we'd taken four points from the previous two games, including a draw away from home to the team then second in the table. We need an as yet unquantifiable number of points to be certain of staying up and the sooner we get them the better.
 
Pink Panther said:
Personally I agree with your final comment but ultimately there comes a tipping point where you can't just carry on regardless without making a tough decision, otherwise you're in danger of ending up like Nottingham Forest did with Brian Clough. Right now there is an argument for a change of manager and whether you like it or not the only thing that can settle it in your favour is better results.


No we're not, or at least not significantly deeper than we already are. This sort of hysterical overreaction that really winds me up. The bigger picture is not pretty, it's been a really poor season but if we lose on Saturday we'll be a bit worse off than we are right now, that's all. Before we won at Hungerford two months ago we were 19th in the table, without a win for four months, and defeat would have dropped us into the relegation places. At that point Braintree were in the top half of the table. Look at their results since and look at where they are now, that's "deep trouble". Right now we've lost two games on the spin, one of them away to the team second in the table. Before that we'd taken four points from the previous two games, including a draw away from home to the team then second in the table. We need an as yet unquantifiable number of points to be certain of staying up and the sooner we get them the better.
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Well that is one way of looking at it but ignores the fact that Braintree's form is better than ours and that if we lose on Sat we would have gained 5 points in 7 games (4 of which were at home). Not sure what constitutes deep trouble, maybe a relegation play-off at Concord on the last day of the season?
 
3 of the 7 teams below us play this evening (all at home) so i'll certainly be following the scores closely. technically all could finish the evening ahead of us but you'd get good price on that treble.
 
cambelt said:
Well that is one way of looking at it but ignores the fact that Braintree's form is better than ours and that if we lose on Sat we would have gained 5 points in 7 games (4 of which were at home). Not sure what constitutes deep trouble, maybe a relegation play-off at Concord on the last day of the season?
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So no plans to offer better support to the players?
 
Cat Daisy said:
What can you do? Turn up on Saturday, cheer on the random 11 players that turn up, and not get on their backs if we aren't winning. Other than that it's slightly out of our hands.
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Cheer them on. What is cambelt doing to cheer them on? Since we will be in big trouble if we are defeated.

Poor atmosphere means poor performance.
 
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Taper said:
The performance against Carlisle was a low point this season for me. A great day off the pitch. But the team fizzled out quickly on it. And the selection left a bad taste in the mouth.
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With respect I thought the team played well against Carlisle. Even if Carlisle's game plan was to counter attack we had loads of possession and we moved the ball quickly. If they hadn't scored early they may well have been in trouble. So in hindsight bringing in the two new players has had a negative effect. But you can't really fault the manager for trying to strengthen the team and get to the FA cup second round. After all our league performances in the run up to the cup game were poor. It's amazing how every player played out of their skins in front of the BBC cameras but most haven't looked that good since.
I know the manager has brought in a lot of new players and we haven't had a settled 11 but when they are not winning he had a choice to continue or try something different.
I am not saying there isn't issues with man management, training, playing players out of position and players being frozen out (apart from that what have the Romans ever done for us :)). I don't believe we will get relegated and we can't change the manager before the end of the season as there would be no guarantee it would make any difference.

A disaster for the club would be having to play our home games at Tooting again. We just need to consolidate until we are in the new stadium ....
 
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B.I.G said:
So no plans to offer better support to the players?
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I don't think I need to now, I have realised that you don't have to win games to avoid being relegated as all the other teams will just lose their games for you. It's a brilliant plan that we are executing superbly. I will be able to just enjoy the game knowing that the result is meaningless to us staying up.
 
So you aren’t going to offer any support? Is that what it means to you to be a Dulwich supporter? To sit by and do nothing?

Is this what we have come to? That the most vocal of fans only has opinions and no action?
 
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Will be too embarrassed to go now that you've exposed me as the main reason for our teams performances this season. I did try to shout loudly, I really did.
 
cambelt said:
Will be too embarrassed to go now that you've exposed me as the main reason for our teams performances this season. I did try to shout loudly, I really did.
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Are you suggesting that if the support hadn’t been better, performances wouldn’t be better?
 
Moroccan Sunset said:
Come off it, B.I.G: poor performances again and again and again are what (largely) bring about poor atmosphere - as we're currently seeing.
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You think that when Gavin goes and success returns that cambelt will offer anything? Or behind the goal will ever return to previous levels of support while people like cambelt are part of the club?

If Gav goes we should purge the support that contribute to the atmosphere as well.
 
B.I.G said:
You think that when Gavin goes and success returns that cambelt will offer anything? Or behind the goal will ever return to previous levels of support while people like cambelt are part of the club?

If Gav goes we should purge the support that contribute to the atmosphere as well.
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How do you know what I offer you weirdo? As you have said, you just want the team back in the Isthmian South so everything is how you like it. To blame the newer supporters for this season is just really wrong. And for the record I have been coming since 2012 and like the things you despise the families, the friends, the students, people new to the game etc
 
cambelt said:
How do you know what I offer you weirdo? As you have said, you just want the team back in the Isthmian South so everything is how you like it. To blame the newer supporters for this season is just really wrong. And for the record I have been coming since 2012 and like the things you despise the families, the friends, the students, people new to the game etc
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I’m asking what you offer in terms of support. I see all the negativity you offer.
Where we would be with a club of people like you is in the Isthmian South.

We knew you have been coming since 2012. I assume you like it more now, which shows you didn’t get it back then and you probably never will.

I don’t despise any of those things you have named. We had all of those things in 2012 as you should know. What we have added however, is more scum like you, who apparently offer nothing except negativity and entrance money. Or am I wrong and you offer something else?
 
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