The Cost of Occupation
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nino_savatte
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Gawd, is he still hanging around? FFS. 
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Gawd, is he still hanging around? FFS.
He has to get his kicks from somewhere.
Grandma: "They did not compare to surrounding countries.": Your expletives aside. once again, IF you bothered to follow my links (believe I listed a couple of hyerlinks) you will see virtually all economies of all sourrounding nations. I made a point to discuss that Grandma, Perhaps you might review it in depthh. In any event, IF you cannot do that, you can use the 3 sources I did via Google,I) The Israeli Foreign Ministry for offoicial Govt. data, II) THE IMF, III) CIA World Factbook , Economic Appendices. Coallating all 3 and averaging out the differences where they happen to lie will allow you to make a very valauable and exacting conclusion.
Phill: Yeah, they really do not have a clue. Virrtually all the technology they are using her eon U75 is Iraeli patened. Most versions of Windows. IM, Webcam, CPUs, on and on and on and on. They will never get it though because it does not fit their preconceived notions.
Phill: Yeah, they really do not have a clue. Virrtually all the technology they are using her eon U75 is Iraeli patened. Most versions of Windows. IM, Webcam, CPUs, on and on and on and on. They will never get it though because it does not fit their preconceived notions.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Let me break this down for you.
- I post an article about the findings carrried out by an independent think tank on the effect of occupation on the economy of Israel.
- The article states quite clearly:
- Adva's figures show Israel's economy grew 43% between 1997 and 2006, well behind world economic growth during that period of 67% and growth of 68% in the US and in the EU.
- You rebuttal is a set of figures not even mentioned in the findings. You then claim because Israels growth is healthy compared to the surrounding arab nations and western asia that the article must be propaganda. You even start your rebuttal with:
It actually is good but the data is incorrect
- I point out to you the countries or regions you compare are not mentioned in the article so where is the propaganda.
- Post 12 you skip completely over my point and guess what you don't even begin to illustrate why the data is incorrect. Just to muddy the waters further you start talking about American funding of Israel-up to that point nobody in this thread or indeed that article discuss US aid to Israel.
- In post 20 again I ask why you are drawing comparisons to other countries not mentioned in the article and where the propoganda you talk of is in the findings.
- Post 21-once again more waffle and no evidence to suggest the studies findings are incorrect.
- Post 24 you even accuse me of using expletives where there are none (this all sounds very familiar )
Now where are may nails, hammer and jelly....
You are right Grandma, it was all the talk of jelly and trolls that got to me, but maybe it was lunchtime and the imagery was just too much...a jelly covered troll. I could run with that but I am sure I would hear from Editor so I will let it die ithe death it should have hours ago.
Yes Granny, you do have a vallid couple of points in your last post but it is an elementary subject that I thought you would have well understood by now. Look, the OP was a piece by, as you say, an Independant Think Tank, except that the phrse itself is non-sensical. No such thing as an indepentsn think tank since they all receive their funding from one or more quarters and their finding tend to reflect thast since there is no real oversight.
You ask questions based on this group called AVDA I believve. I offered you a very, very factual rebuttal relying upon the IMF, WB, and CIA, anf finally A Pairing consortium for Floridian and Israeli institutions that allow some insight as to the future of the Israeli economy. I will not be harsh, economics are not something that many people really understand and perhaps you fall into the majority therre. I will kindly advise you though, never rely on unknown and little voiced think tanks and instead concentrate in the real economic forces at work.
Nopt only is our economy totally self sufficient and has been since 60, since we worked the quirks out of our conversion to privatisation we are seriously a contender for the strongest economy in the entire world. Please do the relevant information so that you can see all the infromation and then evealute it as you can.
You ask questions based on this group called AVDA I believve. I offered you a very, very factual rebuttal relying upon the IMF, WB, and CIA, anf finally A Pairing consortium for Floridian and Israeli institutions that allow some insight as to the future of the Israeli economy. I will not be harsh, economics are not something that many people really understand and perhaps you fall into the majority therre. I will kindly advise you though, never rely on unknown and little voiced think tanks and instead concentrate in the real economic forces at work.
Nopt only is our economy totally self sufficient and has been since 60, since we worked the quirks out of our conversion to privatisation we are seriously a contender for the strongest economy in the entire world. Please do the relevant information so that you can see all the infromation and then evealute it as you can.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Your source is suspect and it doesn't alter the fact that the occupation costs Israel a good deal of money. How much longer do you think Israel can afford to keep this going? Or do you have alchemists working for the state whose task is to find a way of transforming lead into gold?
Nino: "Source is suspect.": First off, why is it suspect? Second of all, these are well known facts and in case it has escaped you, the source for the information was not the site listing it, the IMF? The CIA Wrold Factbook which is a guidance for governments worldwide? The World Bank? that is where the info comes from Nino.
As I believe I probably also said, we had Economic Takeoff about 18 years before we achieved Statehood (although we did have a rough time from 47 through 58 due to 2 large wars in a short space of time) so the issue of the Israeli Economy being self supporting is a joke. We were self sufficient before we were a nation.
" 'Occupation' costs Israel ALOT of money.": Indeed it did and continues to but it becoming much less of a burden as we downshift out of our presence (not "Occupation" since to occupy another flag must have been indigenous there and the only flag to fly in that way was a Jewish flag before the Israeli flag. Ergo, how does one "occupy" one's own land?) in the "West Bank," having already given up our presence in Gaza.
The cost though has never come close to being an over burden. When we had triple digit infaltion, etc., etc. it was related to the Privitasation measures taken in the early to mid 80s when we left Socialism behind. The govt made a lot of mistakes in that period (moving much, much too fast and not enough oversight) but then young nations, or newly REestablished nations often take missteps in their younger years.
"Alchemists.": Well, given that we are number 2 in patents, following the EU and the EU is not a nation but a conglomeration of nations... so that in reality we are really number one in new inventions, you never know!
As I believe I probably also said, we had Economic Takeoff about 18 years before we achieved Statehood (although we did have a rough time from 47 through 58 due to 2 large wars in a short space of time) so the issue of the Israeli Economy being self supporting is a joke. We were self sufficient before we were a nation.
" 'Occupation' costs Israel ALOT of money.": Indeed it did and continues to but it becoming much less of a burden as we downshift out of our presence (not "Occupation" since to occupy another flag must have been indigenous there and the only flag to fly in that way was a Jewish flag before the Israeli flag. Ergo, how does one "occupy" one's own land?) in the "West Bank," having already given up our presence in Gaza.
The cost though has never come close to being an over burden. When we had triple digit infaltion, etc., etc. it was related to the Privitasation measures taken in the early to mid 80s when we left Socialism behind. The govt made a lot of mistakes in that period (moving much, much too fast and not enough oversight) but then young nations, or newly REestablished nations often take missteps in their younger years.
"Alchemists.": Well, given that we are number 2 in patents, following the EU and the EU is not a nation but a conglomeration of nations... so that in reality we are really number one in new inventions, you never know!
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Your source is suspect for the obvious reasons. If you can't fathom that then you're not firing on all cylinders - are you?
It isn't "your" land, that's the point. It was stolen; the true owners having been forced out at gun point or by bulldozer/tank.
Gaza has been created as a ghetto, but then Gaza is only one territory that has been illegally occupied by Israel.
It isn't "your" land, that's the point. It was stolen; the true owners having been forced out at gun point or by bulldozer/tank.
Gaza has been created as a ghetto, but then Gaza is only one territory that has been illegally occupied by Israel.
Nino: As opposed to insulting me, and then ironically reporting me for your having insulted me (more irony when ones talks of another not 'firing on all cylinders'), why not try and answer a couple of questions:
I) "Has there EVER been a nation called 'Palestine'?":
II) "When did the first Arab enter history?":
III) "When did Arabs come to the land you call 'Palestine?":
IV) "Has there EVER been an Arab Nation there?":
V) "DID Israel go through mediation at Lausanne with the UN and Arab negotiars and pay 10 million US in 1949 value to "Palestinians" for lost assets?
BONUS QUESTION:
I*) "When has Israel EVER EVEN been charged with breaking International Law in any International Court or Tribunal?":
I would like to thank you in advance for answering these very, very simple questions. When you answer them (as if), perhaps things will look a bit different to you.
I) "Has there EVER been a nation called 'Palestine'?":
II) "When did the first Arab enter history?":
III) "When did Arabs come to the land you call 'Palestine?":
IV) "Has there EVER been an Arab Nation there?":
V) "DID Israel go through mediation at Lausanne with the UN and Arab negotiars and pay 10 million US in 1949 value to "Palestinians" for lost assets?
BONUS QUESTION:
I*) "When has Israel EVER EVEN been charged with breaking International Law in any International Court or Tribunal?":
I would like to thank you in advance for answering these very, very simple questions. When you answer them (as if), perhaps things will look a bit different to you.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You continue to accuse me and others of "insulting" you, but this is the same tactic you have used time and time again to evade points put to you.
You continue to suggest that Palestine has never existed. This is revisionist claptrap; a rewriting of history to suit your particular strand of Zionism.
You also suggest that Arabs never existed in history. This is another lie and would not be out of place coming from the mouth of a fascist or a Nazi. I'm only surprised that you haven't managed to airbrush out any other cultures. Perhaps you might like to try erasing the Kurds from history?
Your post is typical of this desire to construct a historical narrative that writes out all other cultures except a particular strain of Judaism.
You continue to suggest that Palestine has never existed. This is revisionist claptrap; a rewriting of history to suit your particular strand of Zionism.
You also suggest that Arabs never existed in history. This is another lie and would not be out of place coming from the mouth of a fascist or a Nazi. I'm only surprised that you haven't managed to airbrush out any other cultures. Perhaps you might like to try erasing the Kurds from history?
Your post is typical of this desire to construct a historical narrative that writes out all other cultures except a particular strain of Judaism.
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