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The Controversial Pie Thread

The only one I know of is in Strutton Ground in Victoria and they overcharge for everything save baguettes.
 
Shepherds pies, Cumberland Pies and Cottage pies are 'pies' but not pies. You would never describe a Shepherds pie as a pie, you have to say Shepherds pie so that people know you do not mean a real pie.

Pies have a top covering of pastry. Real pies should have sides and bottom encased too. Steak and ale pies without sides and bottoms are pub food masquerading as pies, but are phoneys.

Tarts do not have a pastry covering on top, but might have a pastry lattice.

Pasties are pastry folded around the filling and depressed around one edge to form a handle. This handle has become a decorated fold along the top but as it is folded over it is still a pasty.

I like a bit of tart - tarts are best served sweet for desert. I like a bit of pie, but it has to be real pie. I do like (vegetarian) shepherds piesbut they are not pie pies. Cumberland fish pie is great too - but likewise.

Crumbles are not pies or tarts, but crumbles.

Now don't get me started on chips! Chips are not crisps ffs! Chips are chipped potatoe deep fried. Chips are not recionstituted potato mush fried - those are fries. Fries are not chips! There should be laws about this sort of thing! :mad:
 
Wolfie said:
I'm afraid Pukka pies are pale and sad when compared to the mighty Hollands Pie
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Hmm.i am a pie coniesur (who can't spell) and although being a veggie so only having tried the cheese and onion Hollands pie, found it far too liquidy and could benefit from some potato.Also seems to give frightful heartburn and i normally have a very strong pie constitution...
 
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Myself and some freinds have long been planning a London Pie Festival. The question that always stumps us is this:

Can you class a samosa as a pie?
 
hiccup said:
Myself and some freinds have long been planning a London Pie Festival. The question that always stumps us is this:

Can you class a samosa as a pie?
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No, a somosa is a somosa and not a pie but if organising a London pie festival I think it would advisable to accept pies and variations on the pie theme i.e. pasties and samozas too. It is like at a wedding; if youwant a big one invite cousins.
 
cyberfairy said:
Hmm.i am a pie coniesur (who can't spell) and although being a veggie so only having tried the cheese and onion Hollands pie, found it far too liquidy and could benefit from some potato.Also seems to give frightful heartburn and i normally have a very strong pie constitution...
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We're still waiting for bristle-krs's pie jaunt in Bristol. Callie said he wouldn't do it. So did Wolfie. We mocked at the time - we put all our faith in him. But did he follow through? No. He didn't :( :( :(

We should resurrect that pie expeditition :)
 
Groucho said:
No, a somosa is a somosa and not a pie but if organising a London pie festival I think it would advisable to accept pies and variations on the pie theme i.e. pasties and samozas too. It is like at a wedding; if youwant a big one invite cousins.
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But...it's encased in pastry...of a sort. Why is shepherd's pie a pie but a samosa not?

There'd definitely be samosas. And pasties. And maybe even flans.
 
a Pie Festival was discussed during last year's Glastonbury - we reckoned pasties, samosas etc would have to be a fringe event with their own seperate field
 
Wolfie said:
a Pie Festival was discussed during last year's Glastonbury - we reckoned pasties, samosas etc would have to be a fringe event with their own seperate field
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Hmmm, dunno, not sure ghettoisation would be a good thing.
 
hiccup said:
But...it's encased in pastry...of a sort. Why is shepherd's pie a pie but a samosa not?

There'd definitely be samosas. And pasties. And maybe even flans.
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custom and practise, custom and practise

this is food culture we are talking about here, don't expect it to have logical rules or be predictable - revel in its foibles and eccentricities
 
Wolfie said:
a Pie Festival was discussed during last year's Glastonbury - we reckoned pasties, samosas etc would have to be a fringe event with their own seperate field
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The Desperate Dan Field perhaps?

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Groucho said:
Shepherds pies, Cumberland Pies and Cottage pies are 'pies' but not pies. You would never describe a Shepherds pie as a pie, you have to say Shepherds pie so that people know you do not mean a real pie.

Pies have a top covering of pastry. Real pies should have sides and bottom encased too. Steak and ale pies without sides and bottoms are pub food masquerading as pies, but are phoneys.

Tarts do not have a pastry covering on top, but might have a pastry lattice.

Pasties are pastry folded around the filling and depressed around one edge to form a handle. This handle has become a decorated fold along the top but as it is folded over it is still a pasty...

(snip)

...Crumbles are not pies or tarts, but crumbles...
(snip)
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Practically my thoughts exactly. :)

Oh and linda MCcartney pies are very very nice. (Plus they are proper pies, top,sides and bottom.)
 
happytobe... said:
Practically my thoughts exactly. :)

Oh and linda MCcartney pies are very very nice. (Plus they are proper pies, top,sides and bottom.)
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Yes her pies are ok, but really decent veggie pies are hard to come by. I find I have to make my own but it is hardly worth it for just me :(

I er appear to have added an e on the end of potato in my earlier post in error :confused:
 
Groucho said:
Yes her pies are ok, but really decent veggie pies are hard to come by. I find I have to make my own but it is hardly worth it for just me :(
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Her lattice thingy's were a bit poncy but I found the pies rather nice. Yeah most veggie pies these days are 'creamy vegetable pies' which although I liked at primary school tend to consist of a lot more 'cream' than veg or anything else.
 
Custard pies, in the comedy sense, are an American invention, I believe, and they know nowt about pies.
<runs away>
 
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