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The Conspiracy Files: 9/11 - The Third Tower (BBC2 Sun 6/7).

trev> To be honest I think it was a pissed up accident that could have been avoided had they been wearing seat belts, the driver hadn't been beered up, and the fucking paparazzi hadn't decided to drive like loons, thus meaning the driver of Dianas vehicle also ended up driving like a twat.
The only cover up here, is why haven't the press who where speeding and egging the situation on been done for dangerous driving.

TomPaine
 
trev> To be honest I think it was a pissed up accident that could have been avoided had they been wearing seat belts, the driver hadn't been beered up, and the fucking paparazzi hadn't decided to drive like loons, thus meaning the driver of Dianas vehicle also ended up driving like a twat.
The only cover up here, is why haven't the press who where speeding and egging the situation on been done for dangerous driving.

TomPaine

Can't remember exactly but there was something about the driver's drinking habits that didn't add up, mind you like someof them on here i don't have a published copy of the enquiry to refer to.
I have a life!
 
Despite hysterical articles in all the tabloids to the contrary (except the Express perhaps),

Yes the Express, the bastion of non hysterical, balanced measured rational tabloid journalism.
most people really do believe there was something sinister in her death.

Many people believe that eating a piece of waffer once a week will send them to heaven.

She was alleged to be pregnant, to a 'darkie' , which would be an insult to a racist family.

Blood tests in the postmortem showed she wasn't pregnant.

CCTV cameras were pointing the wrong way. The powers that be have a history of "disappearing" troublemakers. Questions were asked about the post mortem.
No, definately an accident and YOU can prove it i'm sure. The Sun told you so. Case closed!

Could I just add to the chorus of "You're an moron."
 
Yes the Express, the bastion of non hysterical, balanced measured rational tabloid journalism.


Many people believe that eating a piece of waffer once a week will send them to heaven.



Blood tests in the postmortem showed she wasn't pregnant.



Could I just add to the chorus of "You're an moron."


You will believe the moon is made of cheese if the tabloids tell you it is. Can't be arsed arguing anyway.
 
You will believe the moon is made of cheese if the tabloids tell you it is. Can't be arsed arguing anyway.

trev mate, really, it was an accident. drunk driver speeding...no seatbelt. classic case, open and shut. plus , really, if you think anyone was going to 'disappear' anyone they wouldnt choose a better time than when there's 30+ paparazzi in persuit? there's just no rhyme or reason to it mate.
 
How does it make me stupid to believe something that's more likely than not?

Because anyone with even half a brain and a basic grasp of logic and reasoning can see that the most likely cause of her death was an accident. The evidence to back this up is overwhelming.

Still I guess that would involve reading a few documents with big words in...
 
trev mate, really, it was an accident. drunk driver speeding...no seatbelt. classic case, open and shut. plus , really, if you think anyone was going to 'disappear' anyone they wouldnt choose a better time than when there's 30+ paparazzi in persuit? there's just no rhyme or reason to it mate.


It doesn't really affect me either way, it just seems SOOOO suspicious , the whole thing. BUt lets that be the end of it. We could argue all day.
 
It doesn't really affect me either way, it just seems SOOOO suspicious
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Yeah but no but yeah but no like it was like sooooooo suspicious.
 
It doesn't really affect me either way, it just seems SOOOO suspicious , the whole thing. BUt lets that be the end of it. We could argue all day.

It certainly does seem SOOOO suspicious. There are SOOOO many questions that need answering. And they have been.

The truth really is out there.
 
You will believe the moon is made of cheese if the tabloids tell you it is.

Apparently according to trev, anyone who disagrees with him is a tabloid reading tory boy.

It must be nice living in a world devoid of nuance, subtly and logic.

Can't be arsed arguing anyway.

Brave Sir Robyn ran away, running away and chickening off.
 
No really Eddy as the past dozen of posts show everyone is really interested in the relevant discussion you're having with no one.

I'm sure some people found it interesting. Its not my fault that you can't even admit the author of the report knew what was in it. His testimony clearly says that the intelligence reports he received showed Saudi involvement. For some reason you avoid aknowledging this simple fact.
 
I'm sure some people found it interesting.


Eddy look at the pages of this thread you're fucking delusional if you think anyone gives a flying fuck at your truth movement's latest "smoking gun"

Its not my fault that you can't even admit the author of the report knew what was in it. His testimony clearly says that the intelligence reports he received showed Saudi involvement. For some reason you avoid aknowledging this simple fact.

Fine, if you want to get petty, I got mixed up as to whether he was a congressman or a senator.

The fact remains that THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT WANT TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENT, THAT YOU CLAIM INCRIMINATES THEM IN FUNDING THE TERRORISTS.

And you're forced into some wild bullshit speculation as to why they'd do this.
 
The fact remains that THE SAUDI GOVERNMENT WANT TO RELEASE THE DOCUMENT, THAT YOU CLAIM INCRIMINATES THEM IN FUNDING THE TERRORISTS.

And you're forced into some wild bullshit speculation as to why they'd do this.

Oh well thats alright then. You seriously think that is enough to just dismiss what Senator Graham said? Really?

Given how close Bush is to the Saudi's, how important the relationship is economically, and the fact that the report was covered up, its hardly creating a far fetched theory to say they may have discussed it privately and were given assurances the report would be covered up.

As for Jones, I must of listened to his show about 15-20 times in my life, and that comment is way old. I've found nearly everything he said (like 95%) to be wholly made up, completely twisted and exaggerated etc. You got me, well done. Now can we discuss the important topic, i.e. would you care to respond to my first paragraph and not just this one.
 
More evidence of a possible link with Saudi Arabia comes from the author Gerald Posner.

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030908-480226,00.html

According to Posner, Abu Zubaydah, a key Al-Quaeda figure, was interrogated by the CIA and revealed that he was working with senior Saudi intelligence officials and provided convincing evidence for his claims.

There was a controversy last year when members of the 911 commission strongly criticized the CIA for withholding evidence from them and attempting to deliberately impede their investigation. It emerged that the CIA had in fact destroyed the taped recordings of Zubaydah’s interrogation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/22/washington/22intel.html?pagewanted=2&_r=2&hp

A credible author, Posner’s claims were taken seriously by the 911 Commission, as this quote from a memo written by the 911 Commision Director Phillip Zelikow shows:

‘Late in its investigation, reacting to press allegations that Abu Zubaydah had referred to a Saudi prince in his interrogations, the Commission asked “what information does the CIA have” about whether such assertions were made in Zubaydah’s interrogations. We knew the CIA believed this was untrue but we asked the question formally to get any relevant information for the record. We cannot find a record of a CIA response.’

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/national/20071222-INTEL-MEMO.pdf
 
Bob Graham wrote a book about the findings from the 911 congressional inquiry. There's an interview with him here:

http://www.motherjones.com/news/qa/2004/11/11_401.html

It seems he concurs with the general, ‘inter-agency lack of co-ordination, cold war mentality and missed opportunities with hindsight’ consensus.

There are a few quotes however that pertain to his Saudi involvement claims:

‘MJ.com: How cooperative were President Bush and his administration with your inquiry?

BG: They started out with a lot of representations of how helpful they would be, in the same way that they did to the citizens’ 9/11 Commission that followed us. But when you actually started to dig close to sensitive information -- the most sensitive being the role of the Saudis -- they began to erect barriers.

MJ.com: Looking at the 9/11 Commission report that was completed after your inquiry, how did the findings of the two compare?

BG: In the main, it was very consistent. The basic intelligence failures that we found, and the recommendations to correct those failures, were largely adopted in the 9/11 report…

In the matter of findings, the biggest disagreement we had with the 9/11 Commission was on the role of Saudi Arabia. We found that there was compelling evidence that the Saudis played an active role in assisting two of the terrorists in Southern California, including being the means of substantial funding for those two terrorists. And this question of whether their support was limited to those two, or may have extended to others of the 17 terrorists, is still an unsolved mystery because the FBI did such an inept job of conducting that investigation. Whether we got it right or the 9/11’s softer evaluation of the role of the Saudis was right, we won’t know until after the administration makes available more information to the American people.’

Someone who has read the book told me that most of those 28 redacted pages have to do with the testimony of FBI agent Steve Butler. Butler was the handler of an informant that two alleged hijackers lived with. He was tracking money coming from the Saudi Government.
 
As I said, the FBI informant who was the landlord of two hijackers (Almihdhar and Alhazmi), was handled by FBI Agent Steve Butler. It is clear Senator Graham was referring to these hijackers with his claims of Saudi funding.

‘Newsweek reports that hijackers Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar may have received money from Saudi Arabia’s royal family through two Saudis, Omar al-Bayoumi and Osama Basnan. Newsweek bases its report on information leaked from the 9/11 Congressional Inquiry in October.’
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a112202newsweek&scale=0#a112202newsweek

This Omar al-Bayoumi was receiving payments from Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi ambassador to the US.

"Newsweek said, however, the FBI uncovered financial records showing payments to the family of al-Bayoumi from a Washington bank account held in the name of Princess Haifa Al-Faisal, wife of the Saudi ambassador to the United States and daughter of the late King Faisal."
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,71273,00.html

The former ambassador who she is married to is Prince Bandar. He is a close friend of George W. Bush.

‘He is reportedly close to Bush, who calls him "Bandar Bush".’
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jun/07/bae5

This must be the Saudi funding connection that the 28 redacted pages refer to.
 
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