Just in case anyone has missed this idiot's identical twattery about Brixton getting ripped to shreds: http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=155679 (post 65 onwards)tbaldwin said:
The Cleansing of Hackney
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socialistsuzy
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it's true tho, there is a big influx of yuppies into hackney, especially in my area, hoxton, which used to be the roughest and now has people like kylie minogue hanging out in hoxton sq and is being built with luxury flats everywhere.
socialistsuzy said:
Suzy there is more to Hoxton than just Hoxton Square. Try walking northwards and go to the many estates such as the Arden Estate or the Geffrye Estate. They are not exacty yuppified. They are multi ethnic working class estates. And its not true that luxury flats are being built everywhere. The pubs in the Hoxton Street market area are not exactly yuppified!
BarryB
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
socialistsuzy said:
YEah that's about 10% of Hoxton - the rest is council estates (or ALMO estates now!
)lighterthief
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I don't agree with your assertion that people are moving in to Hackney purely to make a financial return on their property. Not everyone buying a house is an evil property speculator. For some people it will be one of the few places that they can afford to buy. And there is a price to pay, as you have pointed out: poor schools, youth clubs, leisure facilities, transport...if you are earning a medium-sized wage in London (perhaps in the voluntary or public sector) you almost certainly won't qualify for social rented housing. Your only other option is to rent privately - and see all your hard-earned cash go straight into the hands of someone else - or buy, and be able to retain some of your earnings.Divisive Cotton said:
Tuesday nights Streets Ahead programme on Channel 4 8pm has Sarah Beeny with the residents of Hillstowe Street where the residents try to increase the value of their properties by doing them up properites en masse.
Hillstowe Street is just off Lea Bridge Road and is part of the Clapton Conservation area. And right by the area that the LDA have CPOed because of the Olympics. And both the Ship Aground and Princess of Wales are now under new management. All change in Clapton!
BarryB
Hillstowe Street is just off Lea Bridge Road and is part of the Clapton Conservation area. And right by the area that the LDA have CPOed because of the Olympics. And both the Ship Aground and Princess of Wales are now under new management. All change in Clapton!
BarryB
lighterthief
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I'm not sure I understand what point you are makingBarryB said:
tbaldwin said:
Well, they will have to go and live somewhere cheaper then, won't they?
There is no special "right" to live in the same area forever. You can't stop someone selling their own house to whoever they want, for a price that they both agree on, can you?
Giles..
socialistsuzy
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BarryB said:
hey, don't be patronising, i lived on the clinger court estate for 15 years of my life and now live 100 yards up the road in a shared ownership house (which we could only get cos of help from my grandad), i went to haggerston school too. u can't educate me on the make up of hackney and hoxton.
Divisive Cotton
Now I just have my toy soldiers
Interesting article in todays Guardian:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,1745854,00.html
http://education.guardian.co.uk/schools/story/0,,1745854,00.html
socialistsuzy
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Divisive Cotton said:
Ms Beishon, thats me.
lighterthief
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That's interestingsocialistsuzy said:
I don't really see the logic behind the Learning Trust's proposals for Haggerston Girls School but I would say overall they seem to be doing a much better job than when Hackney council ran the schools system directly.
socialistsuzy
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i disagree, it depends on whether you see 5-6 academies as a good thing.
socialistsuzy
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here's some info that i wrote up bout Haggerston;
we are campaigning to keep Haggerston all-girls. this is not
because we are necessarily for single sex schools but because the
proposal is not being done to benefit the school. the original
proposals that the learning trust came forward with was either,
> -become a mixed school
> -become a mixed foundation school, or,
> -become a mixed academy
> the learning trust had to back away from the idea of an academy
(to go with the other 5 being set up in the borough) because of the
huge opposition to the proposals. however, we know that this is what
they ultimatly want and the schools land and facilities (being in
central london and large) is valued at over £90million. they are not
doing whats best for the pupils at the school by making it mixed.
they want to break up the strong community feeling in and around the
school in order to make other things easier to be pushed through, the
also want to break down the very strong NUT group there (become known
at the learning trust as the 'haggerston soviet') because many
teachers would leave if this proposal is pushed through. the pupils,
parents and teachers are completly opposed to the proposals. the
governors vote was only passed by one vote and there were factors
that make this vote unacceptable like, there wasn't a support staff
governor elected yet, one of the parent
> governors had just given birth so couldn't attend, they were
bribed by adding in the plan for a sixthform (which swung one of the
votes) even though it is a completely unrelated issue and many
support the idea of a mixed sixthform being added, the head of the
school voted to change the school at the same time as applying for
others jobs in all-girls schools!(she has now left and is being
replaced by a woman who is a governor of the first hackney academy :-
$), as well as this the chair of governors works for the learning
trust!. the pupils were also not told about the governors vote and
were only told the day after it had taken place by the teachers, the
pupils then walked out and refused to go back into lessons and stayed
in the playground, they then did the same the next day after the head
tried to hold asseblies(in year groups cos she was too scared to have
them all in the same room) where she refused to answer any questions
and told the pupils it wouldn't effect them
> (one of them yelled out 'what about my sister!' and a number
walked out, and were then joined at breaktime by the rest of the
school).
> Haggerston is a sucessful school, a rareity in hackney!, so why
change it? it has been praised in ofsted for the past 3 years running
as one of the best in the country (taking into account its value
added score). the learning trust have said that too many boys are
leaving the borough and they need to sort this out, but there are
also a large number of girls leaving the borough and with the closure
of the mixed schools, hackney downs and kingsland and now the closure
of homerton boys school(surrounded in a huge amount of controversy
and dirty tricks that i won't go into becuase i could write a book on
it) (all which also weren't failing schools and were actually
improving!) they are clearly not looking to address the gender
balence (all these schools are being replaced with academies).
> they have also said that Haggerston will have to 'compete' with
the Bridge academy which is being built 50 yards up the road from the
school. this will be a mixed academy and is being sponsored by the
UBS bank. the headteacher of the academy won't have their office in
the school, they will have it down the road in the UBS building at
liverpool street! as well as this the sight this academy is being
built on is the sight of a primary school which was closed, this is
way too small, resulting in a design where the building is large on
top and small on the bottom to squeeze 1100 secondary school pupils
onto the sight of a small primary school. becuase of this problem
there have also been rumours that UBS want Haggerston (with its huge
grounds) to be the academy and the new building to be a sixthform.
if all the learning trusts proposals go through there will be
virtually all mixed academies in hackney which complete takes away
choice in the borough and
> community/teacher/pupil involvment.
> so, far we have had 3-4 demostrations all with minimums of 100 on
each, and the one that the pics are of had at least 150, a deputation
to the council (lots of stuff surrounding the other hackney schools
campaigns too which have been linked up by us and the NUT very well).
the teachers really went for the demostration on the 30th march
(which the pics are from) with at least 150 pupils/parents/teachers.
they produced a newsletter which they plastered round the local area
in shifts whilst on the picket line on tues, leafleted the pupils,
put them up all round the school again and again after senior
management kept tearing them down, they put the poster up as the
backround on every computer in the school on the day of the demo,
made fantastic badges, ballons, i snuck in and made placards with the
pupils at lunchtime etc, they organised the GCSE drama, the year 9
choir and the turkish dancing group all to perform at the end of the
demo on the steps of the town hall.
and here's a report of the demostration on the 30th march;
Just under 200 pupils, parents and teachers gathered outside Haggerston School’s gates for the fourth demonstration the school has seen in the past year. They were demonstrating to show the Schools Organising Committee (SOC) what they thought of the plans to make Haggerston a mixed-sex school. A lively demonstration set off for the Learning Trust with pupils chanting, balloons, placards, badges and banners. Once arrived at the Learning Trust after chanting loudly outside the building the pupils then gathered in front of the Town Hall steps to watch one of the GCSE drama groups perform their exam piece, which dealt with issues like, the death penalty, euthanasia, abuse, war and many other issues. We then saw performances from the year 9 choir and the Turkish dance group in the school.
The pupils, parents and teachers have been opposed to these proposals from the offset.
The Learning Trust are not doing what’s best for the pupils at the school by making it mixed. They want to break up the strong community feeling in and around the school in order to make other things easier to be pushed through, the also want to break down the very strong NUT group there (become known at the learning trust as the 'Haggerston Soviet') because many teachers would leave if this proposal is pushed through. The governor’s vote was only passed by one vote and there were factors that make this vote unacceptable. The pupils were also not told about the governors vote and were only told the day after it had taken place by the teachers, the pupils then walked out and refused to go back into lessons instead staying in the playground, they then did the same the next day after the head tried to hold assemblies (in year groups because she was too scared to have them all in the same room) where she refused to answer any questions and told the pupils it wouldn't effect them (one of them yelled out 'what about my sister!' and a number walked out, and were then joined at break time by the rest of the school).
Haggerston is a successful school, a rarity in Hackney! So why change it? It has been praised in ofsted for the past 3 years running as one of the best in the country (taking into account its value added score). The Learning Trust have said that too many boys are leaving the borough and they need to sort this out, but there are also a large number of girls leaving the borough and with the closure of the mixed schools, hackney downs and Kingsland and now the closure of Homerton boys school(surrounded in a huge amount of controversy and dirty) (all which also weren't failing schools and were actually improving!) they are clearly not looking to address the gender balance (all these schools are being replaced with academies).
They have also said that Haggerston will have to 'compete' with the Bridge academy which is being built 50 yards up the road from the school. This will be a mixed academy and is being sponsored by the UBS bank. The head teacher of the academy won't have their office in the school; they will have it down the road in the UBS building at Liverpool Street! as well as this the sight this academy is being built on is the sight of a primary school which was closed, this is way too small, resulting in a design where the building is large on top and small on the bottom to squeeze 1100 secondary school pupils onto the sight of a small primary school, because of this problem there have also been rumors that UBS want Haggerston (with its huge grounds) to be the academy and the new building to be a sixth form. If all the Learning Trust’s proposals go through there will be virtually all mixed academies in Hackney which complete takes away choice in the borough and community/teacher/pupil involvement.
At 7pm a group of around 40 went into the Learning Trust to attend the SOC meeting. 3 teachers, 2 pupils and 2 parents were allowed to address the committee and were then asked questions by the SOC. At the end of the meeting the groups on the SOC body then voted on the proposal, the vote went 3:1 in favour of the school changing but because this was not a unanimous decision, with the schools group (teachers and governors from across Hackney) voting against the proposal, the final decision is now taken to the National Schools Adjudicator.
we are campaigning to keep Haggerston all-girls. this is not
because we are necessarily for single sex schools but because the
proposal is not being done to benefit the school. the original
proposals that the learning trust came forward with was either,
> -become a mixed school
> -become a mixed foundation school, or,
> -become a mixed academy
> the learning trust had to back away from the idea of an academy
(to go with the other 5 being set up in the borough) because of the
huge opposition to the proposals. however, we know that this is what
they ultimatly want and the schools land and facilities (being in
central london and large) is valued at over £90million. they are not
doing whats best for the pupils at the school by making it mixed.
they want to break up the strong community feeling in and around the
school in order to make other things easier to be pushed through, the
also want to break down the very strong NUT group there (become known
at the learning trust as the 'haggerston soviet') because many
teachers would leave if this proposal is pushed through. the pupils,
parents and teachers are completly opposed to the proposals. the
governors vote was only passed by one vote and there were factors
that make this vote unacceptable like, there wasn't a support staff
governor elected yet, one of the parent
> governors had just given birth so couldn't attend, they were
bribed by adding in the plan for a sixthform (which swung one of the
votes) even though it is a completely unrelated issue and many
support the idea of a mixed sixthform being added, the head of the
school voted to change the school at the same time as applying for
others jobs in all-girls schools!(she has now left and is being
replaced by a woman who is a governor of the first hackney academy :-
$), as well as this the chair of governors works for the learning
trust!. the pupils were also not told about the governors vote and
were only told the day after it had taken place by the teachers, the
pupils then walked out and refused to go back into lessons and stayed
in the playground, they then did the same the next day after the head
tried to hold asseblies(in year groups cos she was too scared to have
them all in the same room) where she refused to answer any questions
and told the pupils it wouldn't effect them
> (one of them yelled out 'what about my sister!' and a number
walked out, and were then joined at breaktime by the rest of the
school).
> Haggerston is a sucessful school, a rareity in hackney!, so why
change it? it has been praised in ofsted for the past 3 years running
as one of the best in the country (taking into account its value
added score). the learning trust have said that too many boys are
leaving the borough and they need to sort this out, but there are
also a large number of girls leaving the borough and with the closure
of the mixed schools, hackney downs and kingsland and now the closure
of homerton boys school(surrounded in a huge amount of controversy
and dirty tricks that i won't go into becuase i could write a book on
it) (all which also weren't failing schools and were actually
improving!) they are clearly not looking to address the gender
balence (all these schools are being replaced with academies).
> they have also said that Haggerston will have to 'compete' with
the Bridge academy which is being built 50 yards up the road from the
school. this will be a mixed academy and is being sponsored by the
UBS bank. the headteacher of the academy won't have their office in
the school, they will have it down the road in the UBS building at
liverpool street! as well as this the sight this academy is being
built on is the sight of a primary school which was closed, this is
way too small, resulting in a design where the building is large on
top and small on the bottom to squeeze 1100 secondary school pupils
onto the sight of a small primary school. becuase of this problem
there have also been rumours that UBS want Haggerston (with its huge
grounds) to be the academy and the new building to be a sixthform.
if all the learning trusts proposals go through there will be
virtually all mixed academies in hackney which complete takes away
choice in the borough and
> community/teacher/pupil involvment.
> so, far we have had 3-4 demostrations all with minimums of 100 on
each, and the one that the pics are of had at least 150, a deputation
to the council (lots of stuff surrounding the other hackney schools
campaigns too which have been linked up by us and the NUT very well).
the teachers really went for the demostration on the 30th march
(which the pics are from) with at least 150 pupils/parents/teachers.
they produced a newsletter which they plastered round the local area
in shifts whilst on the picket line on tues, leafleted the pupils,
put them up all round the school again and again after senior
management kept tearing them down, they put the poster up as the
backround on every computer in the school on the day of the demo,
made fantastic badges, ballons, i snuck in and made placards with the
pupils at lunchtime etc, they organised the GCSE drama, the year 9
choir and the turkish dancing group all to perform at the end of the
demo on the steps of the town hall.
and here's a report of the demostration on the 30th march;
Just under 200 pupils, parents and teachers gathered outside Haggerston School’s gates for the fourth demonstration the school has seen in the past year. They were demonstrating to show the Schools Organising Committee (SOC) what they thought of the plans to make Haggerston a mixed-sex school. A lively demonstration set off for the Learning Trust with pupils chanting, balloons, placards, badges and banners. Once arrived at the Learning Trust after chanting loudly outside the building the pupils then gathered in front of the Town Hall steps to watch one of the GCSE drama groups perform their exam piece, which dealt with issues like, the death penalty, euthanasia, abuse, war and many other issues. We then saw performances from the year 9 choir and the Turkish dance group in the school.
The pupils, parents and teachers have been opposed to these proposals from the offset.
The Learning Trust are not doing what’s best for the pupils at the school by making it mixed. They want to break up the strong community feeling in and around the school in order to make other things easier to be pushed through, the also want to break down the very strong NUT group there (become known at the learning trust as the 'Haggerston Soviet') because many teachers would leave if this proposal is pushed through. The governor’s vote was only passed by one vote and there were factors that make this vote unacceptable. The pupils were also not told about the governors vote and were only told the day after it had taken place by the teachers, the pupils then walked out and refused to go back into lessons instead staying in the playground, they then did the same the next day after the head tried to hold assemblies (in year groups because she was too scared to have them all in the same room) where she refused to answer any questions and told the pupils it wouldn't effect them (one of them yelled out 'what about my sister!' and a number walked out, and were then joined at break time by the rest of the school).
Haggerston is a successful school, a rarity in Hackney! So why change it? It has been praised in ofsted for the past 3 years running as one of the best in the country (taking into account its value added score). The Learning Trust have said that too many boys are leaving the borough and they need to sort this out, but there are also a large number of girls leaving the borough and with the closure of the mixed schools, hackney downs and Kingsland and now the closure of Homerton boys school(surrounded in a huge amount of controversy and dirty) (all which also weren't failing schools and were actually improving!) they are clearly not looking to address the gender balance (all these schools are being replaced with academies).
They have also said that Haggerston will have to 'compete' with the Bridge academy which is being built 50 yards up the road from the school. This will be a mixed academy and is being sponsored by the UBS bank. The head teacher of the academy won't have their office in the school; they will have it down the road in the UBS building at Liverpool Street! as well as this the sight this academy is being built on is the sight of a primary school which was closed, this is way too small, resulting in a design where the building is large on top and small on the bottom to squeeze 1100 secondary school pupils onto the sight of a small primary school, because of this problem there have also been rumors that UBS want Haggerston (with its huge grounds) to be the academy and the new building to be a sixth form. If all the Learning Trust’s proposals go through there will be virtually all mixed academies in Hackney which complete takes away choice in the borough and community/teacher/pupil involvement.
At 7pm a group of around 40 went into the Learning Trust to attend the SOC meeting. 3 teachers, 2 pupils and 2 parents were allowed to address the committee and were then asked questions by the SOC. At the end of the meeting the groups on the SOC body then voted on the proposal, the vote went 3:1 in favour of the school changing but because this was not a unanimous decision, with the schools group (teachers and governors from across Hackney) voting against the proposal, the final decision is now taken to the National Schools Adjudicator.
socialistsuzy
New Member
treelover said:
cheers, the article makes it sound like the hands off hackney schools campaign is just me lol, but its gets some stuff across, that little chat i had with the guardian wasn't an interview it was just a little chat, i thought she'd ring me bak on it! lol, oh well its quite good, i've emailed her a reply and some more info and details of the other organisers in the campaign so we'll see if it gets anymore coverage.
of course i expect critism of my arguements on occaision, but you can't say that i'm wrong when i'm speaking from direct expirience of living on a hackney council estate all my life. to have the, 'maybe you should walk up the road and see what real hackney is like, where its not all yuppie flats and posh like where you live etc' attitude, is patronising, especially when i'm from a council estate in hackney and my family couldn't be living off a lower income.
socialistsuzy said:
Your posting gave no indication that you ever lived on a Hackney council estate. So how the hell am I supposed to know that you did? At a guess at least one of your parents was a full timer for the Socialist Party (Militant). If so that would explain why your familys income was so low.
BarryB
socialistsuzy
New Member
BarryB said:
not hard to guess really (looking at my surname), my dad used to work for the CWI, my mum's still on the socialist party EC, 2 aunts and 2 uncles have all also been fulltimers at one point or another too.socialistsuzy
New Member
lol, it's great, we had 6 members of my family at socialism2005, including my grandma, who also has a subscription to the socialist.
BarryB said:
But Barry, at least they're not enthusiastically standing for the anti-working class Labour Party http://www.hackney-labour.org.uk/candidates/?id=172
Given that the Labour Party stand for privatisation of everything that moves (see their actions), Bombing anywhere Bush tells them they should, Being pro-business in every aspect of their politics and shitting on the working class at every opportunity, perhaps you could explain your reasons for standing for the Labour Party?
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