The Bromley and Chislehurst By-election
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Maggot
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I wish I hadn't listened to you lot. If all the Green voters (or just some of the Labour ones) had switched to the Lib Dems, they could have ousted the tories from one of their safest seats.kingmaker said:
Bob Neill, Conservative: 11,621
(- 11,962 from 2005)
Ben Abbotts, Liberal Democrat: 10,988
(+ 1,620)
Nigel Farage, UKIP: 2,347
(+ 872)
Rachel Reeves, Labour: 1,925
(- 8,316)
Ann Garrett, Green: 811
(- 659)
Paul Winnett, National Front: 476
John Hemming-Clarke, Independent: 442
Steven Uncles, English Democrats: 212
John Cartwright, Monster Raving Looney Party: 132
Nick Hadziannis, Independent: 65
Anne Belsey, Money Reform Party: 33
Turnout: 40.5% (64.9%)
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
you were absolutely right to vote green, and I would have voted that way if I lived in B&C - and saw a point in voting anymore - I would have done so.Maggot said:
2 reasons.
1. there is so very little difference between where the dominant faction in the libdems want to take the party, and where diddy 'dave' wantzs to take the tories, that a lib dem gain amounts to sod all.
2. the greens are the only party with a national base of any size that posits a substantial and meaningful alternative progressive view, due to the 3 main parties all trying to camp on the (discredited) middle ground. supporting them is more important than playing bash-the-tory, however much fun that may be
The pink news are suggesting there may been an element of homophobia in the near defeat of the Tory - although they stop short of accusing the LibDems of this.
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1850.html
http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-1850.html
Matt S said:
that was a good guess...
Maggot said:
Even if the Tories had been ousted in B&C they'd get it back at the next general election.
In the mean time - the Greens have had another welcome dose of credibility.
And I thought that Lib Dem canddidate was as big a tosser as the Tory to be honest.
Haller said:
You old git!!!
(Just like me
)Almost certainly not the same person
, but well remembered. John Cartwright (SDP), particularly right-wing MP for Woolwich.He lost his seat to John Austin-Walker (Lab.) in 1987, back in the distant days when the latter was sort of a proper leftie ...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Well, this turned out pretty much like I expected! I bet the LibDems are laughing hard now, they've got a good shot at taking this in the next GE (which could be anything from 12 months away onwards).
The Tory vote was slashed even beyond my expectations (I thought they'd have at least a 1000-2000 votes on the LibDems)...
The Tory vote was slashed even beyond my expectations (I thought they'd have at least a 1000-2000 votes on the LibDems)...
Kid_Eternity
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
kingmaker said:
Well I correctly predicted them Lib_dems would come second, I was just a *little* out on the majorityKid_Eternity said:
Might have been a different story had the Liberals won be I'd still predict a Tory hold here in the next GE when Liberal resources will be more spread.
Mind you on my present form I wouldn't trust myself to predict the winner of a Brazil vs San Marino football match, let alone a GE 3 years away.
Kid_Eternity
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kingmaker said:Well I correctly predicted them Lib_dems would come second, I was just a *little* out on the majority
Might have been a different story had the Liberals won be I'd still predict a Tory hold here in the next GE when Liberal resources will be more spread.
Mind you on my present form I wouldn't trust myself to predict the winner of a Brazil vs San Marino football match, let alone a GE 3 years away.
I'd lay money on the LibDems taking this at the next election. Also the next GE could be as soon as 12-18 months away (if Blair goes at conference Gordon Brown will almost certainly call a snap election) which means the LibDem candidate will be fresh on peoples mind and the Tories are in a dilema to choose Neill again or pick an A Lister (which frankly they should have done if they wanted to win with a good majority).
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