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The British cheese invasion of France

ChrisFilter said:
I've always found Somerset Brie to be a bit bland.. Brie de Meaux is too ammonia-y.. the King is Brie de Pays imho..

and I'm an ex-pro, so what I say goes ;)

I concur. Any place in the SW offering Somerset brie on the cheeseboard needs a bit more imagination imho. It keeps well, but that's about it.

Tried 'Goldilocks' from Daisy & co. yet? Awesome stuff, Dorset-based, made to a brie-based recipe but with a little more oompf about it. A little unstable to store, but worth the hassle.

*salivates*

(and yes, Toby's more or less right btw)
 
ChrisFilter said:
and I'm an ex-pro, so what I say goes ;)
did you used to work at neals yard or something?

i imagine the decline of french cheeses is as much to do with eu pasteurisation rules as much as anything else - i think it's now illegal to buy in unpasteurised milk, so if you want to make a proper cheese, you have to have your own dairy - which is beyond a lot of smaller cheese makers.

<edit - btw, i'm fed up with people being mean to toby - i was just curious, didn't want to start some kind of slanging match. :( :mad: >
 
killer b said:
did you used to work at neals yard or something?

La Fromagerie and managed a shop caled the Granary in Oxfordshire.. miss the Granary, proper cheese shop.. La Fromagerie is almost undoubtedly the best cheese shop in the UK, but catered to too posh a crowd and was a bit too far up it's own arse.
 
tobyjug said:
For fucks sake, I give up I really do, call yourselves cheese officionados you know fuck all.
How the hell it can have escaped your notice that British cheese is booming due to farms diversifying and French cheese production is declining rapidly I really do not know. About the only places left you can buy decent cheese in France is at street markets.

Or at one of the numerous small delicatessens or charcutieries to be found in any decent sized town. Even in the small village I stayed in two years ago in Morbihan there was a (French) organic bakery selling locally produced organic goat's cheese.

You may have a point about british exports, however, the French probably make a better market than the UK for premium cheeses as they are more prepared to pay extra for quality food, not to mention the significant ex-pat market. But as for UK cheeses taking over, and the bull about Jose Bove, I think you're talking merde.

Edit: Hmmm ... could tobyjug be right about something for once? :eek:
 
shoddysolutions said:
But as for UK cheeses taking over, and the bull about Jose Bove, I think you're talking merde.

I can't see French cheese sellers saying to their customers:

"Eh bonjour, today we have ze best of ze British cuisine....we have a 'uuuge selection of their fromage....forget about our tradition and ze fact that we don't always pasteurise ze milk, forget le fromage Francais and 'ave a block of Breeteesh cheddar instead mon ami"

:D
 
killer b said:
never been there (la fromagerie) - is it mainly french & continental cheeses?

Yeah, and the best English cheeses.

Granary used to sell predominantly English cheeses with the best continental.

My favourite cheese is probably Langres.. rinsed in champagne.. it's lush.
 
ChrisFilter said:
My favourite cheese is probably Langres.. rinsed in champagne.. it's lush.
sounds lovely. it's a toss up between appleby's cheshire and mrs kirkham's lancashire for me. the best british, imo. :)
 
ChrisFilter said:
My favourite cheese is probably Langres.. rinsed in champagne.. it's lush.

rinsed in champagne - :confused: Surely it must be rinsed in brine to be that salty? I think some folks waste good champagne by pouring into the depression on the top of the cheese when serving it , although i'd have thought the local marc would be a better companion.
 
I did read an article in the Independent the other day saying that some of the smaller French producers were struggling and/or giving up. But there are still around a thousand varieties of cheese made in France -- more than any other country, I think.
 
i like brie, but nearly all the french brie i've eaten has been very mild, almost tasteless... somerset brie seems to be like a cross between french brie and camembert ime, somewhat stronger (and imo nicer) in flavour, but also quite a bit stickier and more difficult to slice... french brie, while bland, certainly makes sandwiches a lot quicker and easier...

i can imagine the french making a nice stilton, but i think most of our semi-hard cheeses (cheddar, derby, red leicester, double gloucester) and crumbly ones (cheshire, lancashire, caerphilly, wensleydale) might confuse them... they seem to like things softer and stickier over there...
 
soulrebel said:
i can imagine the french making a nice stilton, but i think most of our semi-hard cheeses (cheddar, derby, red leicester, double gloucester) and crumbly ones (cheshire, lancashire, caerphilly, wensleydale) might confuse them... they seem to like things softer and stickier over there...

They have loads of semi-hard cheeses -- comte, cantal, tomme de savoie to name but a few.
 
ok... i don't buy cheese that costs more than about £7/kg, so if those cheeses are expensive in britain i'll never have tried them... ;)

i do make a point of trying cheeses i haven't tried yet if they come up in the "reduced to clear" section tho...
 
You can get comte in Lidl -- it's not the best comte I've ever had, but it's pretty good and extremely cheap!

(There should be an acute accent on the e by the way, if you ever want to buy some. It's pronounced COMT-AY.)
 
lang rabbie said:
rinsed in champagne - :confused: Surely it must be rinsed in brine to be that salty? I think some folks waste good champagne by pouring into the depression on the top of the cheese when serving it , although i'd have thought the local marc would be a better companion.

you're quite right, it's rinsed in Marc de Champagne... not champage itself, my mistake.
 
killer b said:
sounds lovely. it's a toss up between appleby's cheshire and mrs kirkham's lancashire for me. the best british, imo. :)

Have you ever tried Olde Sussex? That's my favourite hard cheese since Keene's Cheddar turned to shit after Waitrose made them over produce.
 
soulrebel said:
i like brie, but nearly all the french brie i've eaten has been very mild, almost tasteless... somerset brie seems to be like a cross between french brie and camembert ime, somewhat stronger (and imo nicer) in flavour, but also quite a bit stickier and more difficult to slice... french brie, while bland, certainly makes sandwiches a lot quicker and easier...

I think you've probably just had unripe brie... leave it for a while; should go stickier & much more flavoursome.
 
ChrisFilter said:
Have you ever tried Olde Sussex? That's my favourite hard cheese since Keene's Cheddar turned to shit after Waitrose made them over produce.
i'll keep an eye out for it - preston's a bit of a wasteland for quality cheese, so i generally have to travel out of town to get the good stuff. :(
 
Apparently there's been a big shift in the UK recently towards mature cheddars rather than mild ones. I love a really strong cheddar with crunchy bits of calcium. Currently eating a lot of Cambazola (blue brie). Yum.
 
ICB said:
Apparently there's been a big shift in the UK recently towards mature cheddars rather than mild ones. I love a really strong cheddar with crunchy bits of calcium. Currently eating a lot of Cambazola (blue brie). Yum.

:) mmmmmmmm... cambozola, damn tasty stuff, specially in a sesame seed roll sarnie. Damn, really want some now.
 
hmmm, that pic doesn't look sufficiently crumbly for my taste, but not bad!

nowt can top a good crumbly lancs
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Mrs Kirkhams is the best Lancashire I reckon. Pricey, but worth it.
i'm a big fan of shorrock's as well - it's a bit softer, but a touch stronger on the flavour.

they had to move over to pasteurised for a bit when they had to kill off all their cattle with foot & mouth, but i understand they're back on their own milk supply again now... don't know how easy it is to get hold of in london though.
 
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